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Recollections  -  Edinburgh Old Town

Dumbiedykes

People and Play

Page 2

   Dumbiedykes Survey Photograph - 1959  -  Between Mid and West Arthur Place ©

Please click here for  recollections 1 to 32

33.

Jim O'Meara
Bonnyrigg, Midlothian, Scotland

Home

The Embers

Jimmy Hush

Folk Singers

Schools

Pleasance Trust Youth Club

Arthur Street

The Chippie

Infirmary Street Baths

34.

Jim O'Meara
Bonnyrigg, Midlothian, Scotland

Pleasance Trust Youth Club

35.

John Edwards
Bonnyrigg, Midlothian, Scotland

The People of Dumbiedykes

36.

Lyndsay Montgomery
Old Town, Edinburgh

Billy Anderson

37.

Lyndsay Montgomery
Old Town, Edinburgh

My Father

38.

Andy Duff
Maryborough, Queensland, Australia

Maggie Martin's Mission

The Henny

Leaving Dumbiedykes

39.

Jean Bell

Maggie Martin's Mission

40.

Bob Henderson
Burdiehouse, Edinburgh

David Bertram

41.

Eric Gold
East London, England

David Bertram

42.

Eric Gold
East End, London

David Bertram

43.

Tom Harrison
Buckstone, Edinburgh

David Bertram

44.

Margaret Miller (née Hanson)
Yarrow Valley, Selkirkshire

Dumbiedykes Road

45.

Frank Ferri
Newhaven, Edinburgh

The Plantation

46.

Jim Vandepeear
York, Yorkshire, England

Arthur Street

Cats

Deaconess Hospital

Peas and Vinegar

Dairy

Dr Goldberg

School

Evacuation

War Years

Holyrood Park

The Meadows

Smallpox

Liberton

Boroughmuir School

Leaving Edinburgh

47.

Bill Cockburn
Comely Bank, Edinburgh

Regent Cinema  -  Wedding

48.

Iona Harms
Stevenson College, Edinburgh

Dumbiedykes Project + Interviews

49.

Barbara Shepherd (née Brown)

Arthur Street

St Anne's School

Childhood

50.

Christine Anderson (née Keith)

Salisbury Street

Middle Arthur Place

51.

Bob Henderson
Burdiehouse, Edinburgh

Dorothy Shepherd

Thomas McFarlane

52.

Helen Litalien (née Kelly)
San Antonio, Texas, USA

Jim Kelly, window cleaner

Jenny Kelly, now aged 93

Schools

53.

Jim Robertson
Berlin, Germany

and

Helen Litalien (née Kelly)
San Antonio, Texas, USA

Dumbiedykes Road

54.

Joe McKenzie
Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland

Lower Viewcraig Road

McKenzie Family

Mcleod Family

Friends

Football

Music

55.

Bob Henderson
Burdiehouse, Edinburgh

Looking down on Dumbiedykes
following demolition,  mid-1960s

-  Public Toilets

-  Sledging

-  Playground

-  Holyrood Park

56.

Jack Craig
Silverknowes,
Edinburgh

The Cat's Nick

The Giant Steps

Hunter's Bog

57.

Jimmy Kelly

Geordie Borthwick's Stair

Motor Bikes

More Neighbours

Pals

Schools

Barrie's Trip

58.

Patsy Quinn

Davy Bertram's sister

59.

Eric Gold
East London, England

David Bertram's sister

60

Cathy Rogers
Little France, Edinburgh

Prospect Street

61

John Foster
Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland

East Arthur Place

Arthur Street

61
Reply

John Taylor
Oliva Valencia, Spain

Does anyone remember Mary Taylor?

62

Eric Gold
East London, England

The Fair Family

63

Alex Farrell
Reichenbach, Germany

Middle Arthur Place

Dave Bertram

64

John Munro
West Lothian, Scotland

Heriot Mount

Fight

Cosmopolitan

George Heriot's School

Today

65

Ken Matthews
formerly Ken Egerton
Glenrothes, Fife, Scotland

Johnny and the Falcons

66

Margaret Archibald or Shiels
Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland

Pleasance

Graveyard

Schools

Coronation

Sunday School

Holyrood Square

67

Frank Ferri
Newhaven, Edinburgh

Heriot Mount

Cricket

68

James McLean

Dalrymple Place

Mission Hall

Children's Outing

68

Vince McManamon

Holyrood Park

Accidents

Guy Fawkes

70

Frank Ferri
Newhaven, Edinburgh

The Kelly Family

Eddy Kelly

71

Frank Ferri
Newhaven, Edinburgh

Heriot Mount

-  The Corner Shop

-  Victor

-  Climbing

-  Question

72

Eric Gold
East London, England

with reply from

Frank Ferri
Newhaven, Edinburgh

The Corner Shop

-  The Rafelli Family

73

Moira Thomson
Rosewell, Midlothian, Scotland

141 Dumbiedykes Road

74

Eric Gold
East London, England

Nathan's Rag Store

75

Val Henderson
Inverleith, Edinburgh

Lower Viewcraig Row

76

Alan Urquhart
Dundee, Scotland

Dalrymple Place

-  Family Homes

-  My Mum and Dad

-  My Mum's Family

-  My Dad's Family

-  My Family History

77.

Eric Gold
East London, England

Marion Deighan

Remembrance Ceremony

30 July 1928 – 21 January 2013

78.

Eric Gold
East London, England

Marion Deighan

Ashes Scattered

79.

Olivia Brown

The Duncan Family

80.

Ronnie Brown

Kenny Blackwood

Footie

Radio

81.

Alexander Hay
France

Malt

82.

Ray (Raymo) Graham
Billingham, Durham, England

Climbing and Jumping

  - The Nursery,  Dumbiedykes Road

83.

Evelyn Braunschmidt
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

My Family

84.

Sheila Doak
British Columbia, Canada

Remember Robert Tait?

85.

John Heriot
Leith, Edinburgh

Dumbiedykes Road

86.

Lynn Bocskay
Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada

Carnegie Street

 

Recollections

33.

Jim O'Meara

Bonnyrigg, Midlothian, Scotland

Thank you to Jim O'Meara who wrote:

Home

"My mother was divorced when I was very young so in the 1940s and 1950s we had to stay wherever we could with relatives and friends.

We lived in Holyrood Road, The Dumbiedykes, Canongate, Cowgate, Pleasance, Leith etc.  We lived at 65 Lower Viewcraig Row from about 1963 to 1965."

The Embers

"I used to pal about with Pete Bottomley and Jimmy Cruikshanks of The Embers,  and remember flying about on my old Lambretta that I bought from my cousin Jackie Brown for £5.

Jim O'Meara and his Lambretta scooter in St Andrew Square,  early-1960s ©

I believe that Jimmy Cruickshank is still in the area.  A friend told me that he sometimes gets up to sing at one of the jazz bars in the West End.

I well remember going to the Guild at St Pat's and St Mary's Street Hall where the Embers used to play sometimes at the start of their career."

Jimmy Hush

"I remember Jimmy Hush.  (He was another member of 'The Embers'.)

I believe he still lives locally.  I met him again in Bonnyrigg where he had a stand in the market selling greeting cards.  He also had card shops in Bonnyrigg and Dalkeith"

Folk Singers

"My wife and I were keen on 'The Fureys and Davey Arthur' so when I read in the paper that they were appearing for one night at the Pleasance we decided to go.

We met my old scout master Ronnie Inglis (another local) who asked me if I was up to renew acquaintance with Davey. This was puzzling as I didn't think I had ever met him.

It turns out that Davey was in my patrol in St Pat's scouts and had gone off to Ireland to join the famous Furey Brothers as their lead singer.

Ronnie more or less gave him his start along with a great many folk stalwarts of the late 50's early 60's.  He ran folk concerts in St Mary's St Hall for a time and had people like Barbara Dickson, The McCalman's etc.

A lot of them performed in Walker's bar at the top of St Mary's St - people like the Corries, Robin Hall & Jimmy McGregor etc"

Schools

"I attended St Ann's school, then St Pat's and finally Holy Cross.

When I went to St Pats I remember a scandal when one of committee of the Working Men's Club across the road ran away with their money - and I think somebody's wife."

Pleasance Trust Youth Club

"I used to go to Pleasance Trust Youth Club.  It  was run by a man whose name I forget but he had something to do with a soap company, so we were encouraged to keep our faces clean

The BBC used to have a studio in the buildingI remember  a recording being made with Jimmy Shand.  I was in the building with one of my pals at the time, Decky Smith with whom I shared a birthday.  We were chased for making a noise.

There was a basketball team that used the gym.  They were quite successful at the time."

Arthur Street

"I remember Harry Pederson who stayed at the top of Arthur Street next door to my uncle Paddy Dignan who was a goalie.

He played in the Scotchie with the Millar brothers who went on to pro football with John Greig."

The Chippy

"Mention of the chippy at the foot of Adam Street brought back memories of the biggest fish I have ever had from a chippy."

Infirmary Street Baths

"We used to to the chippy after 'the baths' at Infirmary Street.

There were two attendants at the baths to keep us in check. One of them had a gammy leg.  He used to flash a black belt at us and threaten mayhem if we stepped out of line.

One night, we were jumping from the balcony when he wasn't looking when Sean Connery came in with his wife  (I think it was Dianne Cillento) for a bath at what we called The Plunge.

The attendant came up with a big key and you got a measured amount of hot water and a bar of carbolic soap (or Palmollive if you paid extra)."

Jim O'Meara, Bonnyrigg, Midlothian, Scotland:  February 2+4, 2008

 

Recollections

34.

Jim O'Meara

Bonnyrigg, Midlothian

Jim O'Meara wrote again about the Pleasance Trust Youth Club that he attended from around 1955 to 1957.

Jim wrote:

Pleasance Trust Youth Club

Games

"For lads in the area from homes where money was far from plentiful, the Pleasance Trust Youth Club was a Godsend.

A group of volunteer workers (including Bill Law, the Scottish diving champion at the time) would supervise a wide range of games and activities and try to instill the basics of good citizenship in what was really quite a tough area."

Summer Trips

"In the summer we were taken to Pease Bay near Cockburnspath in the Borders.  All the way down we would sing the latest Rock & Roll hits and when we got there the first job was to go up the hill to a farm and gather straw for our very basic mattresses.

For many of us it was our only chance to get anything like a holiday and a break from the tenements, so a great time was had by all. Games, swimming and treks during the day and campfires at night made sure that we all went to bed very happy and ready for sleep."

Jim O'Meara, Bonnyrigg, Midlothian, Scotland:  February 5, 2008

 

Recollections

35.

John Edwards

Sun City, Florida, USA

Thank you to John Edwards, Sun City, Florida, USA, for sending me the comments below, despite never having lived in the Dumbiedykes area of Edinburgh.

John wrote:

The People of Dumbiedykes

"This is just a word to let you know how much I enjoy reading about Dumbiedykes and the people who lived there.

To me they seem like a very special breed of people who take life as it comes and make the best of it..

They seem fiercely loyal to the place and each other and, I believe, having lived that experience have truly great character and true grit.

My hat's off to them."

John Edwards, Sun City, Florida, USA:  March 7, 2008

 

Recollections

36.

Lyndsay Montgomery

(formerly Linda Montgomery)

Old Town, Edinburgh

Thank you to Lyndsay Montgomery for leaving a message in the EdinPhoto guest book.

Lyndsay wrote:

Billy Anderson

"There are a lot of you folks from Arthur Street tuned in here.  Can anyone remember a boy called Billy Anderson coming to live in the area in about 1958 or 59?

He had come from Ghana where his Dad had been serving in the army.  He originally came to Niddrie Mill Primary School, to my class, since he was staying with an auntie who lived locally.

I met him one Friday night at the Palais.  He was in uniform, and it was like ships that pass in the night."

Lyndsay Montgomery, Old Town, Edinburgh:  Message left in EdinPhoto guest book:  July 18, 2008

 

Recollections

37.

Lyndsay Montgomery

(formerly Linda Montgomery)

Old Town, Edinburgh

Lyndsay Montgomery asks a question below:

Question

Lyndsay wrote:

My Father

"Here's a question for a southsider.

My father was born in 1898 in the Jewel, and the family lived afterwards in the Dumbiedykes, I don't know where.

He used to tell me stories about the place and keep me enthralled with his deeds of daring, I know he went to Milton House (Royal Mile Primary School) but I have never quite worked out what he did afterwards.

Would he have been in the same school until he left at 13?  Can anyone tell me? I know he was in the First World War, having joined up at 16.

The family was a large one, with 3 children including my Dad, then another 6 to a second wife since the first died.  Unhappily, the brothers and sisters are now all dead, I think, so I can't ask any of them.  

I know  his father had a carter's business, and he had been in the war in the Crimea."

Lyndsay Montgomery, Old Town, Edinburgh:  July 24, 2008

 

Recollections

38.

Andy Duff

Maryborough, Queensland, Australia

Andy Duff wrote:

Maggie Martin's Mission

"I loved Catherine McKinsley's bit on Maggie Martin's Mission and the Grassmarket.  Boy, did it bring back memories as I, too, attended both.

At the mission, I always remember getting penny for collection plate and going to paper shop and getting 2 half pennies one for me one for Maggie, so to speak.

The Henny

"Like you, my wife also played in the henny.  She was Jean Dalgleish of 4 Heriot Mount.

Leaving Dumbiedykes

"We used to live in the stair down from Catherine in the early 1940s, then moved to St Leonard's Hill.

 we live in Australia have done so since January 1971."

Andy Duff, Maryborough, Queensland, Australia:  July 29, 2008

 

Recollections

39.

Jean Bell née Bottomley

Jean Bell, sister of Peter Bottomley, the lead guitarist in The Embers group, wrote:

Maggie Martin's Mission

"There were six children in our family (I am the eldest) and we were well known in the Dumbiedykes.

-  My Granny Kelt lived in Holyrood Square.

-  My aunts and uncles, McMillans and the Kelts, lived nearby

-  Auntie Aggie lived in the Square too

-  The Hunters and Auntie Nell Dickson lived in Holyrood Road.

So you see, we were weel kent in that area..

Jean Bell (née Bottomley);  August 29, 2008

 

Recollections

40.

Bob Henderson

Burdiehouse, Edinburgh

Thank you to Bob Henderson who wrote:

David Bertram

"It was with great sadness that I read in tonight's News of the passing of David Bertram of Middle Arthur Place.

He has been mentioned many times in the recollections of Arthur Street and the Dumbiedykes."

Bob Henderson, Burdiehouse, Edinburgh:  September 2, 2008

 

Recollections

41.

Eric Gold

East London

Thank you to Eric Gold who also read the announcement of  David Bertram's death:

David Bertram

"I heard, last night, that Davie (Dade) Bertram died last Friday with cancer and will be cremated this Friday at Mortonhall crematorium.

Dade was from Middle Arthur Place and was a real character around the Dumbiedykes area especially with his pigeons. He was mentioned a few times on your website .Countless people knew him, especially in Rutherford’s and Stewarts pubs, so could you put a wee bit on your web site.

Dave was a social drinker, but the pigeons came first. He had a younger sister Anne and brother my mate Donald.  His parents now deceased were called Dave and Maisie. It came as a shock to me even although I have never seen or spoke to Dade in years.  He lived in the Inch, behind the Rob Roy pub, now demolished."

Eric Gold, East London September 4, 2008

 

Recollections

42.

Eric Gold

East London

Thank you to Eric Gold who wrote:

David Bertram

"My sister told me that (Dade) Davy Bertram had a wonderful turnout as his funeral as the whole of the Southside were there, as Dade was a very popular manI still can’t get over his passing as he was only 67 years old."

Eric Gold, East London September 6, 2008

 

Recollections

43.

Tom Harrison

Buckstone, Edinburgh

Thank you to Tom Harrison who wrote:

David Bertram

"I recently attended the funeral of the much loved and respected David Bertram.  He was brought up in Middle Arthur Place, then moved to the Inch along with his Mum and Dad.

It was  a fitting tribute to his family that there was so many friends from Arthur Street.  It showed the love and friendship that  flourished in the community. There will never be another place like it.

We all had a drink and a good old blether about the days gone by.  To you all, many thanks to the memories we shared.

God Bless."

Tom Harrison, Buckstone, Edinburgh:  September 7+ 10, 2008

 

Recollections

44.

Margaret Miller (née Hanson)

Yarrow Valley, Selkirkshire

Thank you to Margaret Miller (née Hanson) for leaving a message in the EdinPhoto guestbook.

Margaret wrote:

Dumbiedykes Road

"My name is Margaret, sis Sheila, and bro GeorgeWe used to live at 34/6 Dumbiedykes Road, two doors from Jean Aithie.

 I knew:

-  Rhoda and Hannah Mcghee

Craig Mitchell

-  the Grahams

I went to school at Drummond Street, then South Bridge, then Jimmy ClarksBring back the good old days!"

Margaret Miller (née Hanson), Yarrow Valley, Selkirkshire:  October 20, 2008.

 

Recollections

45.

Frank Ferri

Newhaven, Edinburgh

Thank you to Frank Ferri who wrote:

The Plantation

"As a kid, although from Leith, I used to hang out at Dumbiedykes with the late Eddie Kelly, later in become infamous, but that's another story.  We both attended St Anthony's school.  He had two sisters.

We would play in the area known as The Plantation, a group of trees near the sports grounds at Holyrood Palace."

Frank Ferri, Newhaven, Edinburgh:  October 21, 2008.

Frank:

'The Plantations' that I've been told about at Dumbiedykes was beside 'The Big Green' off Dumbiedykes Road.  Here is a photograph of it.  Please click on this thumbnail to enlarge it.

Looking towards 'The Plantations' from Dumbiedykes Road after 'The Brickies' had been demolished. ©

Is this the same Plantation as you remember?

Peter Stubbs:  October 22, 2008

Frank replied:

"Yes.  That is the Plantation, close to Holyrood Palace, to the left of the picture were the sports grounds which I think included a bowling green.  Obviously, the foreground of the picture taken in 1960 has changed, possibly due to demolition of buildings."

Frank Ferri, Newhaven, Edinburgh:  October 23, 2008.

 

Recollections

46.

Jim Vandepeear

York, Yorkshire, England

A couple of years after sending me his recollections chimney sweeps at his home in East Preston Street, James Vandepeear sent me his recollections of Dumbiedykes in the 1940s.

Jim wrote

Arthur Street

"I remember Dumbiedykes and Arthur Street in the period 1939-1952.

I had a great aunt lived in Arthur StreetI think she was a Miss Galbraith, known as ‘Auntie Eeze’ to us.  We visited her occasionally in her dark flat, which was the middle one of three on a landing, all at the top of a gloomy spiralling stair with handrails which were dangerously low for the child I then was.

Her small windows looked out on to the grey walls of the tenement which had an angle in it at that point."

Cats

"I recall that the whole tenement was infested by cats.   Later when my aunt died, I went to help with clearing out her property.   By then, the windows to the flat had been smashed and there were cats in every corner of the flat.  They had been there for about two weeks by then."

Deaconess Hospital

"I remember being taken to the Deaconess Hospital to be treated for some kind of blood poisoning, and having ‘hot fomentations’ applied to my arm over a period of weeks, and the resulting inflamed swelling being lanced.

I recall a mask impregnated with ether being placed on my face to put me out while the staff got on with it.  I still hate the smell of ether.

The Deaconess was a popular medical centre, so I suspect it must have been either free or very cheap."

Peas and Vinegar

"On a corner, across from the Deaconess, towards St Leonards, there was a small shop where, usually on a Sunday, one could buy a plate of peas and vinegar for a halfpenny.

As we were always hungry during the war, peas and vinegar were a treat.  I still remember the vinegar being so strong that I could not speak for a while - and the peas, allegedly boiled, were frequently like bullets."

Dairy

"In East Preston Street, Bill Walker’s dairy sold bread rolls which might have been made by angels  -  and sweets, sometimes."

Dr Goldberg

"I remember Dr Goldberg.  He lived at 27 East Preston Street.  He was always happy to have a quick word with the local children as he did his rounds.  With Homburg hat and Gladstone bag, he went everywhere on foot.  He must have walked miles each day.

Anyone who recalls the doctor will remember his two sisters, who drifted, arm in arm, up and down the streets, talking to each other, but not to anyone else. They were always dressed in 1920 style clothes, cloche hats, pointed shoes with straps, and grey coats and stockings."

School

"I had just started school in 1939, and had no idea of anything happening like a war.  I was just five, and one morning I was given a small case by my grandmother, who was my guardian, and sent to school."

Evacuation

"I had got to like our teacher, Miss Clarke, but that day she tied a label to my coat, and we all marched to Newington Station to get on train, to Armadale.

Evacuees had varied experiences.  Mine were not happy, and I was rescued after a few months by my sister, who came out to Armadale and took me back to Preston Street.   But Miss Clarke had gone to the forces.

I think most of the children were back home within a year, except for a few who had been sent to Canada or elsewhere abroad."

War Years

"My memories of the war years in Edinburgh are of nothing happening, but lots of static water tanks and blast shelters being placed around the city  -  and the blackout, but double British Summer Time saved us having to put the blackout curtains up for those months.

The Meadows had allotments, and I think there were some in Holyrood Park."

Holyrood Park

"We played in Holyrood Park mostly.  In summer, we went to Duddingston Loch or up Arthur's Seat.   In winter there was sledging down from Echo Rock, even late in the evening when it was dark.  

The park has been sanitised now, no sheep or rocks.  But I broke a tooth after sledging right into a rock in the dark."

The Meadows

"At the Meadows there was a swing park, with steel see-saws and parallel bars  and roundabouts, all set in concrete, to make us hardy, and ensure a regular supply of scraped knees and elbows and bruised heads."

Smallpox

"One year, there was a smallpox outbreak.  We all had a vaccination at school, and were told not to knock the scab off.   Many of us wore red ribbons round the vaccinated arm to ward off blows to the healing scab, but one lad, name of Nicol, I think, got his knocked so often that in the end he had a scab from shoulder to elbow."

Liberton

"Preston Street school was partly closed about then, and we had lessons at a hall in Gifford Park.

Liberton Dams was a good day out, playing in the Braid Burn and guddling for sticklebacks and minnows.  There was a dairy farm, not too far from the tram stop, and once I had some very fresh milk there, still warm."

Boroughmuir School

"I went on to Boroughmuir in 1944, left there in 1949.

In 1947, before the National Health Service or ambulances on call round the clock, I broke my arm in the gymnasium at Boroughmuir  -  ulna and radius, so I had two elbows for a while. 

My form teacher came to the gym, and fitted a sling made from a dish towel, which I wore, with my outdoor clothes on top, and was sent by tram to the Royal Infirmary, on my own, where I was plastered up and sent home, again on my own.

I was very late home and got into trouble for that, and had to go back to have the arm reset a few days later."

Leaving Edinburgh

"And then into the army, and I never came back to Edinburgh except to visit."

Jim Vandepeear, York, Yorkshire, England:  November 16, 2008

 

Recollections

47.

Bill Cockburn

Comely Bank, Edinburgh

Thank you to Bill Cockburn who wrote

Regent Cinema  -  Wedding

"I stayed in the Pleasance and then Prince Albert Buildings from 1948 to 1963. I met my wife, Irene, who worked part-time as an usherette in the Regent Cinema at the end of 1961.

I took a part time job as an usher just to be near her.

We married on 26 November 1963, just 4 days after President Kennedy was assassinated.  We had 3 children by the end of that decade.  Sadly, Irene passed away a few weeks ago on 22 October."

Bill Cockburn, Comely Bank, Edinburgh:  November 14, 2008

 

Recollections

48.

Iona Harms

Stevenson College, Edinburgh

Iona Stevenson sent in the request below.  If you'd like to contact Iona, please email me, then I'll pass on your message to her.

Thank you.    -  Peter Stubbs:  November 19, 2008

Dumbiedykes Project and Interviews

"I am a student at Stevenson College and am currently carrying out some research around the area of Dumbiedykes.

My task is to complete a community profile giving an overview of the history of the area and looking at the current facilities and services in relation to this. I also need to carry out some discussion looking at inequality and discrimination in the area.

I have come across your website which has a vast amount of information which has been very useful in my research.  I am also looking for people to interview about Dumbiedykes and note that on your website a number of people connected with the area have volunteered information. I was wondering if it would be possible to make contact with any of these people in order for me to interview them for my research."

Iona Harms, Stevenson College, Edinburgh:  November 18, 2008

Replies

Thank you to Ian Mycko and Eric Gold for replying to the request above.

Ian and Eric:  I've passed your message on to Iona Harms

-  Peter Stubbs:  November 19, 2008

 

Recollections

49.

Barbara Shepherd (née Brown)

Thank you to Barbara Shepherd who wrote:

Arthur Street

"I was born in Elsie Ingles in 1937, spending the first year of my life in the Waverley Buildings in the Cowgate and the next 11 years at No 18 Arthur Street.  In 1949 my family moved to Prestonfield.

I attended St Anne's Primary School in the Cowgate, 1942-49, and St Thomas' Secondary School in Lauriston Gardens until 1952."

I remember all the shops in the area that other contributors have mentioned.  I also remember when Booths on the corner of Middle Arthur Place was previously 'Bells'. 

All the girls used to do handstands and play ball against their wall - the noise must have been horrendous, but I don't recall ever being told off or chased away."

St Anne's School

"A while back, Eric Gold asked about photographs of St Anne's School.  I've found two, not previously shown on your site.  They were on the 'Boston Catholic Journal' website, located on the Rare Photos of Margaret Sinclair page.

Margaret, of course, was a pupil at St Anne's and, as most Edinburgh folk will know, was born in a basement flat at No 24 Middle Arthur Place before her family moved to Blackfriars Street.

Eric's teacher was right. St Anne's was a school in Victorian times.  Itt was called 'The Edinburgh United Industrial School'.  You will find this information and more in the 'Cassells Old and New Edinburgh' link from your site.  Vol II, Chapter 31 - Page 265.

The engraving of the top part of the school had changed little by the time I attended in 1942.  I can remember going up the stairs of the turreted part of the building to the dining hall and gym.  When I visited Edinburgh in August 2007.  It hadn't changed, except it had become someone's home.

It is very difficult to imagine the warren of entries and exits of the High Street closes of the past - but it would appear that St Anne's, or at least part of it was the Royal Mint at some time.  Maybe someone can verify this.

Childhood

"I'm sure others will agree with me when I say that, anyone fortunate enough to be raised in Arthur Street or the surrounding areas, was blessed with a wonderful childhood.

 With the King's Park as our playground and enough children to ensure we were never short of friends, who could ask for better?"

Barbara Shepherd (née Brown):  November 12, 2008

 

Recollections

50.

Christine Anderson (née Keith)

Duddingston, Edinburgh

Thank you to Christine Anderson who wrote:

Salisbury Street

 "I stayed in stair No 13, Salisbury Street.

I remember Wattie McEwan who stayed there, and also the Caldwells.  I used to play with their daughter, Linda.

My Grannie, Maggie Keith lived in stair No.2.  She owned the Grocer's shop near the top of the street.  The pub was on the corner.  She also had a second-hand shop on the Pleasance 

My Granny and Grandfather, David, had four Sons, David, John, James and Andri.  They all attended James Clark's school.

Later on, they all became Painters and Decorators. They had a shop in Causewayside until war broke out and they all went into service.

Middle Arthur Place

John and Betty Keith lived in Middle Arthur  Place.   I loved the stories, like when jam jars used to get you into the Pictures etc.

I remember Dr Lipitz, and also  Charlie Drysdale and the Swans, who were friends of my Father, James /Jimmy.

Christine Anderson (née Keith), Duddingston, Edinburgh November 23, 2008

 

Recollections

51.

Bob Henderson

Burdiehouse, Edinburgh

Bob Henderson wrote:

Dorothy Shepherd

"Dorothy Shepherd the sender recollections 49 lived just across the road from me and I even remember being at nursery with her."

Thomas McFarlane

"In today's Evening News, it was intimated that another Middly man, Thomas McFarlane, had passed away.

Bob Henderson, Burdiehouse, Edinburgh:  November 21, 2008

 

Recollections

52.

Helen Litalien (née Kelly)

San Antonio, Texas, USA

Thank you to Helen Litalien for adding a comment to the guest book.

Helen wrote:

Jim Kelly, Window Cleaner

"My family name is Kelly.  We hailed from the Dumbiedykes.  My father, Jimmy Kelly, was a Window Cleaner, self employed, for nearly fifty years.  He passed away in 1991.

Jenny Kelly, now aged 93

My mother Jenny Kelly is still living in Cowdenbeath, Fife.  She is 93yrs old.  Her fondest memories are of the Dumbiedykes, Salisbury Street and Arthur Street.

Schools

I attended St Ann's, St Pat's and St Thomas's schools as did my sister's Maureen, Margaret and my brother Peter Kelly.  He went to the secondary school out at Sighthill.  (We moved to Broomhouse around 1952.)

I hope to hear from all who remember our family.

Helen Litalien (née Kelly), San Antonio, Texas, USA
Message added to EdinPhoto guest book:  January 27, 2009

If you'd like to contact Helen, you'll find her email address in one of the entries that she posted in the EdinPhoto guest book today, January 27, 2009.

 

Recollections

53.

Jim Robertson

Berlin, Germany

AND

Helen Litalien (née Kelly)

San Antonio, Texas, USA

Thank you to Jim Robertson who read Helen's comments in the EdinPhoto guest book and posted a reply in the guest book.

Dumbiedykes Road

Jim mentioned that:

 he was born in 1938

-   he attended St Ann's and St Pat's schools

-   his family used to live at 115 Dumbiedykes Road, right opposite Brown Street and beside Barclay's shop.

Jim Robertson, Berlin, Germany:  January 28, 2009

Dumbiedykes Road

Helen replied that:

-  her (Kelly) family used to live at 113 Dumbiedykes Road

-  she remembered the Barclay shop.

-  she remembered Mrs Snowden who lived in her star.

Jim Robertson, Berlin, Germany:  January 29, 2009

Dumbiedykes Road

Jim posted another message in the guest book:

Jim's message began:

"Hallo again Helen.  Well, how about that after all these years. I will see if I can jog your memory, with some of the names I can remember.

Firstly at 115, there was Archie Adams, the Stantons.  They were both on the ground floor.

The Sutties, the Thomsons and the Rosses were on the 1st floor.

On the third floor, where we lived, there were also the Wallaces.

Right at the top were the Chalmers, Jimmy and Irene.

Down the street a bit at 111, or was it 109, is where Alex and George Andersons lived."

Jim, who is now living in Berlin, added:

"Berlin is a lovely place but, lets face it, there is nowhere in the world like the Dumbiedykes (ha ha)."

.Jim Robertson, Berlin, Germany:  January 29, 2009

 

Recollections

54.

Joe McKenzie

Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland

Thank you to Joe McKenzie who wrote

Lower Viewcraig Row

"Our family lived in 58 Lower Viewcraig Row until about February 1963.

Ian Mycko moved into 58 Lower View when we moved out.  If I remember correctly, his dad was Michael, his mum Pauline, older brother Michael and a wee sister Vera."

McKenzie Family

"I can just remember my grandad Joe McKenzie. I never knew my own father Jimmy [Pym] McKenzie. He emigrated to Australia just after I was born.

I was brought up by his sister Rose and John Gilmartin who will always be mum and dad to me. They also had my brother and sisters:

-  Alec

-  Wilma

and Roseanne.

Dad's mother, Minnie, lived around the corner at 8 Prospect Terrace with his brothers:

 wee Eck

-  Tommy

and Rab.

McLeod Family

We were also related to the Macleod's. Uncle Owenie and Auntie Mary also lived at 8 Prospect Terrace. They had:

 Owen jnr.

-  Joanne

 Mary

-  and Cathy

Minnie's sister Kate and her husband Johnny O'Day lived at 2 Prospect Street and had three sons:

 John

-  Peter

and Jim.

Tam Croal is married to one of wee Eck Gilmartin's two daughters.

Friends

The Southsiders have spread far and wide since the 1950s and 1960s but I remember a lot of them, not least Eric Mackenzie when we shared the same classroom at school. 

I can just recall the Keighrans.

I remember Cathy Gormley,

-  her mother

-  her sister whose name was Leyden

her niece Dianne

-   and her nephew Robert.

I remember the Campbells from number 9 Prospect Place.

I looked forward to weekends when Flora and Davie Orr visited from Stenhouse Crescent with their family:

-  David

-  Morag

-  and Ross.

I see Kenny Campbell regularly at Livingston Rugby Club.

I still know Gordon Tough. He's due to retire soon.

I remember Jack Oddie and Winnie, Janice and Margaret on the top balcony."

Football

 I remember the great footballer, Kenny Blackwood.

I played football with:

-  Tosh Thompson

Bobby Croy

Packy Mason

John Munro

Allan Ross

Jim Robertson

Tam Flynn

 - Stuart Farmer

-  Kenny Clark

-  Archie Small

- Jimmy Little

Pud Flockhart

George Beattie and

Charlie Boyle.

Sunday was the only day we couldn't plat football up the Scotchie. That was the day the big boys played:

-  Jack Oddie

Willie Lennon

Eric Blackwood [pre Whitehill]

Billy Thompson

Bob Lamb

Georgie and Stevie Lawson

David McIntosh

Jimmy Hansen

-   Alex O'Hara

Jimmy Miller

Sammy Hewitt and

George Hush."

 Music

"I remember:

Peter Bottomley and the Embers

Butch and the Bandits with Jim Di Mambro

-  Sonny Walker, Derek Hannah, I think Jim Bennett and Collette.

How many can remember Derek Hannah's cousin Kenny McLean playing drums for a group called Boots.  Kenny and Derek stayed up number 5 Prospect Street as did Allan and Victor Ross."

Joe McKenzie, Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland:  February 23, 2009
Thank you to Viv for forwarding Joe's message (above) to me.

Contributors to EdinPhoto Web Site

Several of the people mentioned above by Joe McKenzie have already contributed to the EdinPhoto web site, including:

-  Ian Mycko, now living in Gilmerton, Edinburgh.

-  Tam Croal, who has me sent several photos taken by his dad, Wullie.   I have added these to the EdinPhoto web site.

-  Eric McKenzie (Eric Gold), now living in East London.

-  Peter Bottomley, now living at North Gyle, Edinburgh.

-  Jim Di Mambro, now living in South Africa

Peter Stubbs:  February 23, 2009

 

Recollections

55

Bob Henderson

Burdiehouse, Edinburgh

Thank you to Bob Henderson who saw this photograph, looking down on Dumbiedykes following demolition in the mid-1960s

Looking down on Dumbiedykes following demolition  -  mid-1960s ©

 and wrote:

Looking down on Dumbiedykes

Following Demolition

"This picture brought back so many memories.

To make it easy for myself, I have taken the liberty of using a copy to add a few notes.

Looking down on Dumbiedykes following demolition  -  mid-1960s ©

Please click on the thumbnail image above to enlarge it, and read Bob's memories about playing in the park

Bob Henderson:  Burdiehouse, Edinburgh:  March 1, 2009.

 

Recollections

56

Jack Craig

Silverknowes, Edinburgh

Thank you to Jack Craig who wrote, after seeing this photo:

Looking down on Dumbiedykes following demolition  -  mid-1960s ©

The Cat's Nick

"That's an interesting view, looking down from the Crags.  I think the particular spot from where the photo was taken is The Cats Nick, which is immediately above The Giant Steps which are accessed just up towards Jimmy’s (James Clark School) about 200 yards from the Holyrood roundabout.

These distances are from recall, but next time I am down that way I must be more precise."

The Giant Steps

"Many a time, while living in Montague Street, as a 10 year old, I and my friends would climb The Giant Steps then up The Cat's Nick.

If only Mother had known, she would have killed me."

Hunter's Bog

"I also I recall going to Hunters Bog to the rifle range and collecting the lead bullets from behind the targets and trading them for cash.

Your mother probably would not have been too happy about that, as well!              -  Peter Stubbs

Jack Craig, Silverknowes, Edinburgh:  March 2, 2009

 

Recollections

57

Jimmy Kelly

Thank you to Jimmy Kelly who wrote:

Geordie Borthwick's Stair

"I was born in 1941 and lived at 9 East Arthur Place (Eastie) until 1958/59 in 'Geordie Borthwick's stair'.

The kids had a song about him beginning:

Geordie Borthwick sells fish,

Tuppence hae-penny a dish.

Dinnae buy it.

Dinnae buy it.

Fur he dips it in p***."

Motor Bikes

"I think it was in the same shop that my future brother-in-law, Alex Horne, kept motor bikes.  Also on the ground flat were the Hutchison brothers(?). 

On the first flat was Davie McIntosh, a popular 'box player'.   (accordionist). His cousins, the Robertsons  stayed next door.

I also remember:

-  the Jordans

-  the Coyles

-  the Hendersons

-  the Rogers.

More Neighbours

"We stayed on the top flat, with great views of Salisbury Crags., There were three flights of tenement steps to get there, but we had an inside lavvie.

Other families and people that I remember in Eastie are:

MacKenzies

-  MacMillans

-  Deighans

-  Smiberts

-  Ballantynes

-  Cairns

-  Neils

-  Whites

-  Connoboys

-  Phillips

-  Croals

-  Cosgroves

-  Mitchels

-  Days

-  Arthurs

-  Waughs

-  Kerrs

-  Geoghens

-  Reids

-  Phillips, the doo (pigeon) man."

Pals

"Some pals I played with were (all from Eastie):

-  Ross Cairns

-  Donny Neil

-  John Ballantyne

-  Dave McIntosh

-  Davie Reid

-  Billy Day

-  Franny Kerr

-  John Henderson

-  Tam and George Simbert

and possibly:

-  Joe Cole

-  Eddie Blackie"

Later, my mates included guys from Middle Arthur Place and the Brae:

-  John Young

-  Tony Welsh

-  Alex Law

-  John MacFarlane

-  Gerrald Cullen."

Schools

"My schools were

-  St Ann's

-  St Pat's

-  St Anthony's

Barrie's Trip

"I'd like to find some information or photos of Barrie's Trip.  That was an annual outing for 'pair bairns' (poor children) to Spylaw Park or Colinton Dell.  The outing was run from the Grassmarket Mission

One of the Henderson boys (Jimmy, I think.) and I had our 'picture took' and published in the News, with our knap coats, tinnies (metal cups) tied round our necks, our bags of buns any our name tags fastened to our coats.  I don't think parents were allowed.  Happy days.

We even had a song:

A'm no gaun tae Barrie's trip

A'm no gaun again

A'm no gaun tae Barrie's trip

Fur it ayways comes oan rain."

Jimmy Kelly:  March 28, 2009

 

Recollections

58

Patsy Quinn (née McIlholm)

After reading the comments about Davy Bertram and his funeral (40 to 43 above) Patsy Quinn wrote

Davy Bertram's Sister

"I wonder if anybody knows the whereabouts of Davy Bertram's sister, Anne.  I am keen to find her for I've not seen her for years and would dearly love to see her again.  I used to work with her in the bonds and she was a great laugh.

Patsy Quinn:  April 11, 2009

Answer?

If you can suggest how Patsy might be able to contact Anne again, please email me then I'll pass on your message to Patsy.

Thank you.  -  Peter Stubbs:  April 11, 2009

 

Recollections

59.

Eric Gold

East End, London, England

Thank you to Eric Gold who wrote:

Davy Bertram's Sister

"Ann Bertram moved to the Channel Islands years ago.  I’m sure she either owns or runs a guesthouse on the island with her husband.

She always came back you visit her dad and mum (Big Davie and Maisie) her older brother (Davie, known as Dadie)  and wee brother (Donald) who was my mate in Arthur Street at the time.

The Bertrams were good pals of our family.  I also visited them after they had moved to the Inch, when I was on leave from the boats."

Eric Gold, East End, London, England:  April 13, 2009

   Recollections

60.

Cathy Rogers

Little France, Edinburgh

Thank you to Cathy Rogers who wrote:

Prospect Street

"I was born at 9 Prospect Street in 1949  lived  there till I was about 10 years old and we moved to Little France.  My mother, Fayme Henderson, was born in Prospect Street and my dad Jimmy Simpson, was born in Prospect Terrace  

I went to Milton Street school.   I remember  some kids who  I used to play with:

-  Berty Nelson

-  Johnny Boyle and his brother, Charlie

-  Sylvia Sutherland

-  Frances Savage

-  The Broon family that lived in the next stair to us.  They lived on the top flat.

I remember, in August 1959, there were five boys born to four families - my brother was one.  And there were twins whose  mother, May Savage, lived on first floor of 9 Prospect Street."

Cathy Rogers, Little France, Edinburgh:  July 27, 2009

  Recollections

61.

John Foster

Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland

Thank you John Foster who wrote:

East Arthur Place

"We lived with Bill Mackenzie in East Arthur Place in the mid- 1950's.  My brother was Albert and my sister was Jane.  My mother died in 1956 and the family were split up."

Arthur Street

"Does anybody remember:

 Tommy and Billy Fair?

 wee Celia or Mary Taylor?

They lived in Arthur Street opposite East Arthur Place, next door to the shop."

John Foster, Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland:
message posted in EdinPhoto guest book, September 6, 2009

 

 

Recollections

61.

Reply
1.

John Taylor

Oliva, Valencia, Spain

Thank you John Taylor for replying to one of the questions asked by John Foster in his 'Recollections 61' above.

John wrote:

Mary Taylor

"On going through your 'searching for people' pages this morning, to my surprise I found a John Foster of LIvingstone  looking for my sister, Mary Taylor who lived at 37 Arthur Street.

 At 37 Arthur Street, we lived above Curran's shop.

Prior to the demolition of the house in Arthur Street, Mary and family moved to 10/5 Morven Street, Clermiston."

John Taylor, Oliva Valencia, Spain:  29 August, 2015

Message for John Foster

John:

When you asked your question in the  'Recollections 61' above you used the EdinPhoto Guestbook to contact me,  and unfortunately did not leave an email address, so I' not able to tell John Taylor how she might contact you.

Let's hope that you read this message and send me an email.  If you do, I'll pass on your email address to John, so that she will be able to contact you.

Peter Stubbs, Edinburgh:  5 September, 2015

  Recollections

62.

Eric Gold

East End, London, England

Eric Gold replied to John Foster's comments in 61 above:

The Fair Family

"My sister knew the Fair family of Arthur Street, well.  She was a good friend of Mary Fair.  I think Mary was the sister of Tommy and Billy Fair."

Eric Gold, East End, London, England:  September 15, 2009

  Recollections

63.

Alec Farrell

Reichenbach, Germany

Alec Farrell wrote:

Middle Arthur Place

"I came across your home page by chance and it thrilled me to read about Middle Arthur Place, especially the note from Tom Harrison about Jimmy Mc Gill and myself."

Tam's comments are on "Dumbiedykes - Houses & Streets" Recollections 23.

Dave Bertram

"It was also sad to read about Dave Bertram. I remember the Sunday evenings when his dad would arrange for the children to sing in the street across from his stairwell.

I remember always being in a hurry to get home from Granton in time to take part. The whole Street would take part in the singing."

Alec Farrell, Reichenbach, Germany:  Message posted in EdinPhoto guestbook:  December 27, 2009

  Recollections

64.

John Munro

West Lothian, Scotland

John Munro wrote:

Heriot Mount

"I lived with my family at 6 Heriot Mount from 1952/53 until we were 'slum cleared' at the start of 1963.  Looking at Wullie Croal's photos  brought back many memories.

The pictures of the children and women in the back green at Heriot Mount  brought to mind little parties and concerts that the mothers of local kids would hold in the back greens during the summer.

Children - Heriot Mount

    Party in Holyrood Park beside the entrance to Heriot Mount ©

Adults - Heriot Mount

    Party in Holyrood Park beside the entrance to Heriot Mount ©

In the photograph of the women, I think one of them may be a lady called Hogg who helped run the local Life Boy and Boys' Brigade group."

Fight

"My mother's name was Marion Munro. My dad was generally known as Jock. He was a bit of a regular at McSherry's bar, round the corner at the top of the Dumbiedykes.

I remember, one summer night, I had got into a fight with a local boy and gave him a wee bit of a 'doing'.  His dad chased after me and ended up going into McSherry's to remonstrate with my dad.

He needn't have bothered as my dad was sick and tired of me being attacked by other kids and not defending myself, so he was rather proud that I was standing up for myself at last.

It ended up with the other man getting into a fight with my father and getting a bit of a 'doing' as well."

Cosmopolitan

"One of the things which I've noticed about this part of the South Side, which has not been discussed much  is how relatively cosmopolitan it was by the standards of the day.

We had a couple of Italian-run shops.  By the time I lived there I think the shop on the corner of Heriot Mount had passed to a family called Di Carlo[?].

Down the Dumbiedykes, we had what was probably one of Edinburgh's first Sikh families. There was also a fairly strong Jewish influence in the area. There was the Salisbury synagogue not too far away and a couple of the local shops were Jewish owned.

We got our Sunday rolls from either Stenberg (I think) up Causewayside or Bialek.   By the time I left the South Side, I was quite used to Jewish rye bread, matzohs, cheese cake etc. so when I used to work in a London market, with a lot of Jewish traders, years later, I fitted in quite well.

The butcher's shop at Dumbiedykes, Grubers, was originally German or Austrian owned I think."

George Heriot's School

"I won a scholarship to George Heriot's school in 1962, and for about the last year I lived in Heriot Mount I had to go to school, each day, wearing shorts, a blazer and a cap.

I think I used to leave about 3 in the morning and come back at 9 at night so my pals couldn't see me."

Today

"I'm now, newly retired from teaching and living quietly and happily, with my wife, in West Lothian.  I'd move back to the South Side like a shot."

John Munro:  West Lothian, Scotland:  January 21, 2010

  Recollections

65.

Ken Matthews
(
formerly Ken Egerton)

Glenrothes, Fife, Scotland

John Munro wrote:

Johnny and The Falcons

"My name (now) is Ken Matthews.  When I used to live at Dumbiedykes, my stepfather (in England) had changed it to Egerton, a name remembered by Frankie Connor in the article about Johnny and the Falcons.

Talking about Johnny and the Falcons, we used to play everywhere, including The Palais in Fountainbridge.  We were the 'wee band'.

One night, we were playing in 'The Spiders Web' in Dalry Road when we were approached by a ‘Promoter’ from Glasgow, who asked us to go through to Glasgow to auditionor him.

We did, and he took Frankie and me aside.  Frank was lead guitar and I was rhythm guitar. 'I could use you two in my band.' he said. 'What band is that?' we asked.  'Dean Ford and the Gaylords' he replied.

We knew of them.  They played at Ibrox at half-time and we regarded them as our rivals.  The Glasgow – Edinburgh rivalry.

'What about Johnny Campbell and Danny Lynch?'  (our singer and drummer) we asked.  We were incensed by his answer: 'They’re crap, it’s you two I want.'

To cut a long story short, we took umbrage at his description of our mates and walked out on him. Within six months Dean Ford and the Gaylords had changed their name to 'Marmalade' and were Top of the Pops…            OOOpppsss… "

Ken Matthews, Glenrothes, Fife, Scotland:  February 12, 2010

Recollections

66

Margaret Archibald or Shiels

Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland

Thank you to Margaret who wrote about living in the Dumbiedykes area until 1960 when she moved to Gracemount.

Margaret wrote:

Pleasance

"I lived at 78 The Pleasance, directly across from the bottom of Adam Street, from 1949 until 1960

We lived with my grandparents, Robert and Maggie Boyd, their son William and daughter (my mum) Peggy plus my younger brother Billy."

Graveyard

"Our back green was the graveyard for the Quaker's church within the Little Theatre.  The old church was used to store scenery for the theatre.

The caretaker for the premises was Mr Mason.  He lived with his wife and 3 boys, Alan, David and Kenneth in the caretaker's house.

All the old gravestones were moved against the wall of the church which was at the top of Arthur Street.  Across the road was Tommy's fish and chip shop in Ingliston Street.

Inside the Little Theatre premises was a children's health clinic where mothers went to have their babies checked by the health visitors.  I also went to a kindergarten in another part, but my mum took me out because the lady in charge chased me with a broom."

Schools

"My family used to live at 11 Arthur Street before they went to live at The Pleasance.  I went to Drummond Street Primary.

Next door was South Bridge Primary. The headmaster would stand inside as we marched in, 2 by 2, to a military tune by Souza."

Coronation

"When the queen was crowned in 1953, we all got a coronation mug and a packet of Merrills."

Sunday School

"We attended Sunday school at Lady Glenorchy's Church. The minister was Mr Gossip.

Holyrood Square

"My gran's brother and his wife, Andrew and Mary Johnston and their two sons lived in Holyrood Square.

Auntie Mary had her photo in the Edinburgh Evening News after they were told that the square was being demolished. I recall that she was quoted as saying 'We are the last of the Mohicans'.  Auntie Mary was a widow by this time.  She got a new lovely flat in the Canongate."

Margaret Archibald or Shiels, Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland
Message posted in EdinPhoto guestbook:  April 21, 2010

Recollections

67

Frank Ferri

Newhaven, Edinburgh

Thank you to Frank Ferri who wrote:

Heriot Mount

"Although I lived in Leith, in my early teens, I spent a lot of time on the Southside at Heriot Mount, straight from St Anthony's school.

I played there with my school friend, the late Victor Raffaelli.  His folks owned the convenience store on left hand corner of the street.

Cricket

We climbed the steps there and went straight ahead down into the valley in Queen's park where we played cricket "

Frank Ferri, Newhaven, Edinburgh:  June 6, 2010

   

Recollections

68

Jams McLean

Thank you to James McLean who wrote:

Dalrymple Place

"I was born at 7 Dalrymple Place and left for Prestonfield  about 1936/37, when I was five or six years old.  I am told that our neighbours in Dalrymple Place and Carnegie Street included:

-  Mrs Cruickshank.

-  Beveridge family.

-  Mrs Beaumont.

-  Thompson family."

Mission Hall

"At the bottom of Carnegie Street and across Dumbiedykes Road, into Heriot Mount, there was a Mission Hall.  This may have been the 'Band of Hope' where we used to go once a week.  I can't remember what we did there!

Children's Outing

"I remember all the children from Dalrymple being taken for a day out.  We got on a horse drawn cart (the type that was used to deliver coal, except cleaner).

We were given a tinny and a bag of sandwiches and buns each, and set off with our legs dangling over the sides.  We seemed to travel for ages through the town then ended up in a field where we had our picnic.

It's strange how that has stuck in my memory.  It must have been more than 70 years ago.

James McLean:  May 30, 2010

Recollections

69

Vince McManamon

Darlington, Durham, England

Thank you to Vince McManamon for writing about his friends in Dumbiedykes (below).

Thanks, Vince, for also writing about:

-   Living in Dumbiedykes and

Shops in Dumbiedykes

Holyrood Park

"My best friend was Michael Sands who lived with his grandparents.  We would walk around, hand in hand, and think nothing of it.

Another friend was Robert Coulthard.  His mum was yummy.

The park was our playground.  Flocks of sheep roamed about quite unconcernedly.  We chased rabbits and climbed to the crags.  We loved the swings where one young girl would sit on the swing the other girl would place her foot between her legs and beam her to the highest point and brankle her over the bar backwards !!"

Accidents

"Now and again, a lorry would career down Arthur Street and crash into the wall at the bottom.  Once it was a chocolate delivery which burst into flames.  We were eating burnt chocolate for three weeks.

Once, we were playing in Prospect Place when we heard an almighty bang.  We rushed round to the Dumbies where we saw a young married man who lived up our stairs had jumped from the window of his flat. His wife rushed out but he was dead.  Freddie Coppola came out from his shop and fainted twice when he saw the poor man."

Guy Fawkes

"For Guy Fawkes Night, we would gang together and go raiding for wood.  An  elderly woman repulsed about forty of us in the Cowgate with a sweeping brush.

Another trick at the time was to see who could hold onto a banger for the longest before it exploded.  I can still remember the numb fingers."

Vince McManamon, Darlington, Durham, England:  July 19, 2010

 

70.

Message from

Frank Ferri

Newhaven, Edinburgh

Frank Ferri wrote

The Kelly Family

"Does anyone remember Eddie Kelly and his two sisters?  They lived lived at Dumbiedykes in the late-1940s?   They all had shocking red hair.  One sister was named Helen.  I cannot remember the name of the other one, who was deaf.  Their parents were straight from Ireland with a strong Irish brogue."

Eddie Kelly

"Eddie was a bit of a likeable rouge.  He was a youthful friend of mine up until our early 'teens.  He was the first person, to my recall, to sport a crew cut hair style, around 1950.  He was at school with me at St Anthony's Lochend Road.

In his late-20s and early-30s, he got the nickname, 'Machine Gun Kelly' for reasons I'll not go into, to protect his family.

In our early-teens, Eddie and I chose different paths, and by the grace of God, or by fate, I stayed out of trouble.  Our paths crossed from time to time over the years.  I attended his funeral at Morton Hall a few years ago."

Frank Ferri, Newhaven, Edinburgh:  July 23, 2010

Recollections

71.

Frank Ferri

Newhaven, Edinburgh

Thank you to Frank Ferri who wrote:

Heriot Mount

The Corner Shop

     Dumbiedykes Survey Photograph - 1959  -  Looking down Heriot Mount towards the steps into Holyrood Park ©

"The corner shop in this picture of Heriot Mount was owned by the parents of a close  school  friend of mine (now deceased), Victor Rafelli."

Victor

"Victor and I went to St Anthony's school together.  When this picture was taken, his family still ran the business there.  Victor had a younger brother, whose name I can't remember, and a sister, Virginia."

"After school, I used to go to Victor's house and hang out:

 playing at the Henny

-   paying in the valley, just below Heriot Mount steps into Queens Park

 playing cricket."

Climbing

"Above the valley, we would climb the steep slope up to the Radical Road.  At this point, in climbing terms, there was a chimney, a wide crevice in the crags about 60ft high, where if you wedged your feet and back against the chimney, you could climb up to the top of the crags.

God! When I think of the chances we took, aged 14."

Question

"Does anyone remember this Italian family?"

Reply to Frank

If you'd like to send a message to Frank, please email me, then I'll pass your message on to him.

Peter Stubbs, Edinburgh:  July 31, 2010

 

Recollections

72.

Eric Gold

East End, London

Eric Gold replied to Frank Ferri's 'Recollections 71' above:

The Corner Shop

The Rafelli Family

    Dumbiedykes Survey Photograph - 1959  -  Looking down Heriot Mount towards the steps into Holyrood Park ©

"I was at St. Anne’s and St. Patrick's schools with a guy called Eric Rafelli.  He later went to Holly Cross school.

His parents owned a sweet shop in the same location as Frank's mate, Victor.  I think Victor and Eric would be from the same family.  Eric is the same age as me, 62."

Eric Gold, East London:  August 1, 2010

 

Frank Ferri replied:

Eric Rafelli

"Victor would have been the same age as myself, 75 this year.  He died about 4 or 5 years ago.

I believe that Eric would have been Victor's younger brother.  There was also a sister, Virginia, in the middle."

Frank Ferri, Newhaven, Edinburgh:  August 4, 2010

 

Recollections

73.

Moira Thomson

Rosewell, Midlothian, Scotland

Thank you to Moira Thomson who wrote:

141 Dumbiedykes Road

"I was born in 1957 on the top flat of 141 Dumbiedykes Road and lived there with my mother Rita Thomson  my father Alf Thomson and my sister Sheila Thomson. 

Our stair was next door to the Whitehouse Pub and our windows looked right over the back wall to the Queen's Park.

There was a shop on the corner and one round the corner, just before the steps that led up into the park.

We had to leave in a hurry (within 24 hours) when subsidence caused a huge crack to appear, from the bottom of our block to the roof, in 1962"

Moira Thomson, Rosewell, Midlothian, Scotland:  November 25, 2010

 

Recollections

74.

Eric Gold

East End, London

Thank you to Eric Gold who wrote again after seeing this photograph of the rag store below South Bridge in the Cowgate:

  Looking to the west along Cowgate, and through one of the arches of South Bridge, towards the Grassmarket, around 1970 ©

Eric wrote:

Nathans Rag Store

"It was great to see that photo of the old rag store in the Cowgate.  We all used to take our rags and woollens there. The rag store was called Nathan's.

Mr Nathan was Jewish and a great friend of our family and Doctor Goldberg too. He liked jazz like myself and had his radio on, tuned into the American forces network in Germany for the jazz.

He and he told me the frequency so I could tune in my wireless for my ma.  They would play hours of jazz to the forces every night.  It was and is great music."

Eric Gold, East End, London:  January 27, 2011

 

Recollections

75.

Val Henderson (née Thomson)

Inverleith, Edinburgh

Thank you to Val Henderson who wrote:

Lower Viewcraig Row

"I had been reminiscing about Lower Viewcraig Row when I found a message from Kathleen Honan.  I lived at No 53 next to Kathleen's granny.  My name was Valerie Thomson then.

I remember the Farrells very well.  I wonder if she remembers the rest of the kids that came from Lower Viewcraig Row.  There were:

Brenda and May Young

-  Colin Clark

Dawn Derighetti

John Lothian

Michael and Brian (?)

-  Brenda Bacherall.

If anybody remembers me and would like to get in touch please do so."

Val Henderson (née Thomson), Inverleith, Edinburgh:  April 1, 2011

Reply to Val?

If you would like to send a message to Val, please email me, then I'll pass your message on to her.    Thank you.

Peter Stubbs, Edinburgh:  April 5, 2011

 

Recollections

75.

Val Henderson (née Thomson)

Inverleith, Edinburgh

Thank you to Val Henderson who wrote:

Lower Viewcraig Row

"I had been reminiscing about Lower Viewcraig Row when I found a message from Kathleen Honan.  I lived at No 53 next to Kathleen's granny.  My name was Valerie Thomson then.

I remember the Farrells very well.  I wonder if she remembers the rest of the kids that came from Lower Viewcraig Row.  There were:

Brenda and May Young

-  Colin Clark

Dawn Derighetti

John Lothian

Michael and Brian (?)

-  Brenda Bacherall.

If anybody remembers me and would like to get in touch please do so."

Val Henderson (née Thomson), Inverleith, Edinburgh:  April 1, 2011

Reply to Val?

If you would like to send a message to Val, please email me, then I'll pass your message on to her.    Thank you.

Peter Stubbs, Edinburgh:  April 5, 2011

 

Recollections

76.

Alan Urquhart

Dundee, Scotland

Thank you to Alan Urquhart for writing about his family, and about living at Dalrymple Place, a short road leading to the south off Carnegie Street, near the Deaconess Hospital at Dumbiedykes.

Alan wrote:

Dalrymple Place

Family Homes

"My family, the Hewats, lived at:

3 Dalrymple Place from the 1920s then

17 Dalrymple Place (the gable end) on the first floor from 1930 to 1959 when the building was demolished.

My Mum and Dad

"My mum was Martha Hewart, born in 1927 and she is writing down her memories and I will post them as soon as she is ready but being in her 80s and a Southsider means she'll finish when she wants!

My dad was Bruce Urquhart.  His family lived in Causewayside. He was a sheet-metal worker and he had a large family too.  He moved in with my Mum when they were married and I was born and lived there from 1953.

I can still remember the fun playing under the table watching my marbles roll down the sloping floor!  They were very happy days despite the fact we were all poor."

My Mum's Family

"My Mum was Martha.  and her parents were Maggie and Dick.  Dick (or auld Dick) worked as a miner until the late 1930s and then in the boiler room at the Infirmary;

My Mum's brothers and sisters were:

Hugh (Sonny).

Dick (young Dick).

John, killed in WW2.

June.

Margaret (Taj or Tajo).

Helen (Nellie).

Sonny and young Dick were in the Sally Army band but my aunties preferred the dancing!

My aunt Nelly was married in the late 1940s and moved into No 8 Dalrymple Street so we had a fair presence locally."

My Dad''s Family

"My Dad's family lived in Causewayside.  His parents were Mary and Jimmy, a barman at the Guildford, I think

My Dad's brothers and sisters were

Kenny.

Jimmy.

Duncan.

Ian  (twin).

Gordon (twin).

Jean.

Juanita.

Alan.

Malcolm."

My Family HIstory

"I am trying to research the area and my family history.  I would be happy to share anything of interest.  f any ex Dalrymple Placers want to contact me or my mum I am happy to hear from you.

Alan Urquhart, Dundee, Scotland:  November 24+25, 2012

Reply to Alan?

If you'd like to send a reply to Alan, please email me to let me know, then I'll pass on his email address to you.

Peter Stubbs, Edinburgh:  November 29, 2012

 

Recollections

77.

Eric Gold

East London, England

 

Please click here to read  the whole of this

Remembrance Service

Recollections 77

 

Thank you to Eric Gold for telling me the sad news about the recent death of his Auntie Marion  Deighan, and forwarding a copy of the service held for her at Mortonhall Chapel on 30 January 2013.

Eric thought that others from Dumbiedykes might wish to know of Marion's death.

Anybody who'd like to read the whole of the Remembrance Service  should click on the 'Recollections 77' link above.  The Remembrance Service included memories of some of the events in Marion's life.

 

©  This photo has been reproduced with acknowledgement to Willie Croal
 who took this photo and to Eric Gold who supplied the image.

Ceremony of farewell and of remembrance

of the life of

Marion Deighan

30th July 1928 – 21st January 2013

Main Chapel

Mortonhall

30th January 2013

  

Acknowledgements

-  Eric Gold, East London, England (nephew of Marion Deighan) for providing a copy of this service.

-  Rena (eldest daughter of Marion Deighan)  for permission to reproduce a copy of this service.

February 19, 2013

 

Recollections

78.

Eric Gold

East London, England

Thank you to Eric Gold for writing again about the death of his Auntie Marion  Deighan.

Eric wrote:

Marion Deighan

Ashes Scattered

"My Aunt Marion's ashes were scattered at the bottom of Arthur Street and near the Parkie's  Hoose, as that's where she played as a child, like me and the whole of Arthur Street

She will be missed by her family and me.  She was not  only my aunt but a best friend too.  I stayed with here when I was on leave on the boats after my mum Bella,her big sister, died.

Eric Gold, East London, England:  February 21, 2013

 

Recollections

79

Olivia Brown

Burdiehouse, Edinburgh

Thank you to Olivia Brown who wrote:

The Duncan Family

"My mother-in-law's family, the Duncans, stayed in Arthur Street, then moved to Crew Road Gardens.

There were:

-  May

-  Jackie

-  Norman

-  Jane (or Jean as she was known in the family).

Jane married Tony Kovacich in St Margaret Mary's RC Church, Edinburgh, on 28 April 1944.  Tony was a Canadian, serving in the RCA.  He was killed over Denmark on 28 Augus 1944.   The crew were blown up and were only identified by their boots - very sad."

Olivia Brown:  July 9+ 19, 2013

 

Recollections

80.

Ronnie Brown

Thank you to Ronnie Brown who wrote:

Kenny Blackwood

"I have great memories of where I was born, at Dumbiedykes,  and of going to primary school with Kenny Blackwood."

Footie

"We moved to Gracemount, where we played footie with Roy Kay, the Hearts legend from the 1970s.  He always got the ball.  You could tell then that he had talent."

Radio

"Being a DJ has been a big part of my life, and I can now be heard daily on The Superstation in Orkney.  So life has turned out ok for boy born in the Dumbiedykes!"

Ronnie Brown:  July 18+26+27, 2013

 

Recollections

81.

Alexander Hay

France

Thank you to Alexander Hay for posting a reply in the EdinPhoto Guestbook.

In response to a comment about brewery malt, Alexander wrote:

Malt

"It's amazing what lies hidden away in the recesses of the mind! Jane's mention of the brewery malt reminded me that I too used to consume the stuff as a Dumbiedykes childI recall that I liked the taste.

The brewery in the Cowgate was 'Campbell Hope and King' who by reputation brewed the best beer in Edinburgh and so, by definition,the best in the world."

Alexander Hay:  Reply posted on 4 October 2013 in EdinPhoto Guestbook
 in response to a message posted by Linda Elliott in the Guestbook on 22 July 2006.

 

Recollections

82.

Ray (Raymo) Graham

Billingham, Durham, England

Ray Graham wrote:

The Nursery

Dumbiedykes Road

"I recall the nursery on Dumbiedykes Road.  We used to go round the back and climb on the tin-sheeted roof, then jump onto the concrete roof which was quite a stretch.

Can anyone else remember doing this?"

Ray (Raymo) Graham, Billingham, Durham, England:  January 24, 2014

 

Recollections

83

Evelyn Braunschmidt

Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

Thank you to Evelyn Braunschmidt who wrote:

My Family

"I remember:

My grandmother, Jessie Sturgeon, had a dry dairy and also sold 'sweeties' etc. (Maybe the shop was on the Pleasance, I'm not sure). I still remember it from when I was 6 years old in 1954.  I also remember the public wash house.

During the Second World War, when she was 14 years old in 1940my my mother, Sylvia Sturgeon, delivered milk to homes in the area. This was during the 'black out' .The stairs were totally dark.  She died 10 years ago at age 80.

My aunt Mary lived in the Dumbiedykes during this time, and until the early 1960s.   She married a Polish soldier, Harry Slomka.  She had 4 children, Norman, Eric, Janette and MarionJanette and Marion were twins.

They all went to Moray House School, and all the family went to the Charteris Memorial Church for many years. Dr. Low was the minister in 1947and, as far as I remember, he was there until the 1960s."

Does anyone Remember my Family?

"I wonder if anyone remembers the shop or my grandmother or my cousins."

Evelyn Braunschmidt, Victoria, British Columbia, Canada:  September 17, 2015

 

Recollections

84

Sheila Doak

British Columbia, Canada

Sheila Doak wrote:

Remember Robert Tait?

"I wonder if anyone remembers Robert Tait.  I believe that he worked in a pub somewhere near Dumbiedykes.  I've discovered that he would have lived in Upper Viewcraig Row."

Sheila Doak, British Columbia, Canada:  8+9 October 2015

Reply to Sheila?

If you remember Robert Tait or know anything about him, and would like to send a message to Sheila, please email me to let me know, then I'll pass on her email address to you.  Thank you.

Peter Stubbs, Edinburgh:  8+9 October 2015

 

Recollections

85

John Heriot

Leith, Edinburgh

John Heriot wrote

Dumbiedykes Road

"I used to stay in Dumbiedykes Road when I was young, but I know nothing about my background.  I know that my parents used to drink and that I was put in a home.  I enjoyed my life then, but I know nothing more.

Can anyone help please?"

Lyn Bockskay, Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada

Reply to John?

If you know anything about John, and would like to contact him, please email me to let me know, then I'll pass on his email address to you.  Thank you.

Peter Stubbs, Edinburgh:  20 March 2016

 

Recollections

86

Lynn Bockskay

Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada

Lynn Bockskay wrote:

Carnegie Street

"My grandparents, John and Agnes Campbell, lived at Carnegie Street, Dumbiedykes, until they came to Canada in 1924. My grandmother was the local 'go to' lady for stitches, broken bones, birthing babies, etc.

I heard all about the washhoose but nothing about schools, etc. Any other info about Carnegie Street before 1924?

Can anyone give me any other information about Carnegie Street before 1924,  please?"

John Heriot, Leith, Edinburgh:  18 June, 2016

Reply to Lynn?

If you have any information about Carnegie Street that you think might be of interest to Lynn, please email me to let me know, then I'll pass on her email address to you.  Thank you.

Peter Stubbs, Edinburgh:  10 August 2017

 

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