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Recollections
Craigmillar
and
Niddrie
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1960s - 1970s
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1. |
Eric GOLD
known to many as
Eric McKENZIE
East End, London |
- Move
to Craigmillar
- 'The
County' cinema
- 'The Rex'
launderette
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'The Whitehoose'
pub
-
Craigmillar Castle -
Alsatian Dogs |
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2. |
John (Ian) DAVIE
East Lothian, Scotland
with reply from
Eric GOLD
known to many as
Eric McKENZIE
East End, London |
- 'The
County' cinema
- Street Games
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3. |
Marion RAMSAY
Dalkeith, Midlothian, Scotland |
- Street
Games
- Shops
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4. |
John GRAY
Stenhouse, Edinburgh |
- 'The County' cinema
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5. |
Ricky STEWART
Prestonpans, East Lothian,
Scotland |
- 'The County' cinema
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Summer Holidays
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6. |
Margaret CALDER
Craigmillar, Edinburgh
+ replies from
Richard DICKSON
and
Archie FERGUSON |
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Craigmillar School Reunion?
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7. |
Graeme FULTON
Ormiston, East Lothian |
-
Craigmillar poem
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8. |
Jimmy CUNNINGHAM
Gracemount, Edinburgh |
-
Craigmillar and
Australia
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Guiders
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Ice Cream Van
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Sugarally Water
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Rag & Bone Man
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Fish & Chip Van
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Other Families
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9. |
Jimmy CUNNINGHAM
Gracemount, Edinburgh |
-
Barber Gaegi
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10. |
Davy TURNER
Craigmillar, Edinburgh |
-
Barber Tannery
Gaygie
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11. |
Jimmy CUNNINGHAM
Gracemount, Edinburgh |
-
Barber Gaegi
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12. |
Carol LAMOND
Argyle Scotland |
-
The Lamond Family
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13. |
Johnni MacKENZIE-ANDERSON
Craigmillar, Edinburgh |
- The
Mighty Block
- The Dump
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14. |
Jim SALKELD
Sighthill, Edinburgh |
-
Barber Gaegi
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15. |
Georgina LYNCH
Murrayfield, Edinburgh |
-
Ice Cream Van and Chip
Van
-
Games
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16. |
Tam FORD |
-
10 Harewood Drive
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17. |
Wullie JENNINGS
Oxford, Oxfordshire, England |
- Neighbours
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Chip Van
- Ice Cream Van
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18. |
Mike
THOMSON
Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire, Scotland |
-
Fireworks Factory
- Research
- 1950s to 1979s
- Directories
- Questions
- Danger Woods
- Explosions |
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18.
Reply 1 |
Johnni
MacKENZIE ANDERSON
(aka Johnni STANTON)
Craigmillar, Edinburgh |
-
Fireworks Factory
- Research |
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18.
Reply 2 |
Johnni
MacKENZIE ANDERSON
(aka Johnni STANTON)
Craigmillar, Edinburgh |
-
Fireworks Factory
-
Danger Woods |
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18.
Reply 3 |
Mike
THOMSON
Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire, Scotland |
-
Fireworks Factory
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Early-1950s
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World War 2 |
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18.
Reply 4 |
Ian
Hammond BROWN |
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Fireworks Factory
- Family
- Any More Information? |
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18.
Reply 5 |
David
THOMSON |
-
Fireworks Factory
- Flares
- Explosion |
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18.
Reply 6 |
Mike
THOMSON
Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire, Scotland |
-
Fireworks Factory
-
Hammond's at Craigmillar
- Hammond's at
Powderhall
- Pyrotechnics
- Advertisements
- Signal Rockets
- 'Fireworks Magazine' |
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19. |
Elliot
LAING
Broxburn, West Lothian, Scotland |
-
The Tablet Man
- Gala Queen
- Up the Woods
- The District
Nurse |
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20. |
Alex
GALLACHER
Leith, Edinburgh |
The 1960s
- Shows
- The Street |
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Recollections
1a.
Move to Craigmillar
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Thank you Eric Gold, East End, London, for
sending the following memories of the time he spent in Craigmillar.
Eric later moved to
Niddrie,
before going to sea in 1963.
Eric wrote:
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"When we left
Arthur
Street due to re-housing and the demolition of Arthur Street in 1961,
we moved to 5 Harewood Road, Craigmillar."
Harewood Road
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There was poverty in Craigmillar and other housing schemes like Pilton
but I thought at the time Craigmillar was posh compared to Arthur Street.
At least we had an inside lavie."
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Eric Gold, East End, London: March 4, 13 , 2006 |
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Recollections
1b.
The County
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Eric Gold, East London, wrote:
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The Cinema
"We would always go to the County cinema in Wauchope Terrace. We
called it the Gaff.
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The Rio cinema on this site had burnt down around the 1955 period, then
a new cinema called the County was built by a chap called Paulo (not from
Brazil but Niddrie). We called him Polo.
He also owned the George cinema in Portobello and many shops all over
town."
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"Big Ego"
"The guy who was his Bouncer was called "Big Ego" and he would beat a
huge stick on the back wall saying "Will you all keep quite" as you could
never watch a film in peace there. The place was a real flee pit and the
rats would run over your feet.
I remember the projector breaking down and everyone whistled and
shouted. We would let our stink bombs off there too (ha ha ha)."
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Polo's Jaguar
"Polo was good to me as every Saturday he came to the County in his
beautiful white Jaguar car, and said: "If you wash and polish the car I
will give you 5/- (old money)" which was a lot to me.
He also said: "I will let you in to the County or the George cinemas
for nothing" so I washed and polished his Jaguar and by the time Polo came
out to drive the car away he said I had done a great job and I did this
until the day I went to sea in 1963. Polo was a great guy."
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Jack
"I remember a guy who had an Alsatian called Jack, a big black Alsatian.
He would bring the dog in although this was against the law but Big Ego
turned a blind eye, and the dog was well behaved and never barked when the
film was on."
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Eric Gold, East End, London: March 4, 2006 |
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Recollections
1c.
The Rex |
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Eric Gold, East London, wrote:
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The Launderette
"Beside 'The County' was my beautiful launderette, 'The Rex'."
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Eric Gold, East End, London: March 4, 2006 |
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Recollections
1d.
The Whitehoose |
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Eric Gold, East London, wrote:
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The Pub
"The Whitehoose pub (The Whitehouse, Niddrie Mains Road) was a good pub
although everyone in Edinburgh would disagree with me but you got a great
pint there and there was always a punch up outside (ha ha ha).
The Whitehouse
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The pub was full off duckers and divers (people who live on their wits)
and there was a lot of wheeling and dealing too. I remember going in for a
quiet pint one Friday night and it was freezing cold. I came out
with a lovely sheepskin overcoat and a suit and shoes too (ha ha ha) there
were bargains galore at the Whitehoose.
The Whitehoose was a listed building and is now closed. I think
the council will eventually knock it down. My auntie said that when it was
first built in the mid 1930's it was a lovely place, art deco style with a
function room up the stairs."
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Eric Gold, East End, London: March 4, 2006 |
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Recollections
1e.
Craigmillar Castle |
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Eric Gold, East London, wrote:
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"The Green Lady"
"Craigmillar castle as we all know has a lovely bit of land surrounding
it. The keeper had huge big black pigs and they were dangerous and they
would bite you also chase you too.
My mother said, if you go near the castle brae the Green Lady will come
out and catch you, as the Bogyman and her are cousins, so again I never
went near the castle brae until I was an adult and by that time the pigs
were gone too.
I remember I tried to feed one of the pigs one sunny Sunday afternoon
with my cousin with an egg sandwich which he enjoyed but when there was
nothing left he hissed and grunted at me then chased me too (ha ha ha)
I will never forget these pigs."
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"The Bogeyman"
"Eric's mum told him that the
Bogeyman used to live in the 'Parkie's Hoose' in
Queens Park and that when Eric's family moved from Dumbiedykes to
Craigmillar and Niddrie, the Bogeyman had flit too, and was living in the
old
Niddrie House." |
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Eric Gold, East End, London: March 13, 2006 |
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Recollections
1f.
Alsatian Dogs |
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Eric Gold, East London, wrote:
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'Alsatian City'
"In
Craigmillar and Niddrie and Bingham too, nearly every household had an
Alsatian dog. When we played in the parks, say football or cricket,
the Alsatians would catch the ball and run off with it (ha ha ha).
We had one too 'Big Max'
a great Alsatian like my auntie's one next door called 'Rusty'.
We would go to Portobello beach and the dogs would jump on the bus too,
and the conductor was frightened to take our fares even although the dogs
were well trained.
In Portobello if anyone
approached us, the dogs would show their teeth and bark at them. I
remember a Police Officer said to us: "You have a great friend
there who is well trained and will look out for you."
He took us in to a pet shop in
Portobello High Street and bought the dogs a few rubber bones. When
you threw them the dogs would run after them. He knew a family friend of
ours and he took us to the police training camp for their dogs.
What a great day that was with
all the ice cream and even our dogs enjoyed themselves too. I will never
forget that day.
So Craigmillar got nicknamed
Alsatian city." |
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Eric Gold, East End, London: March 13, 2006 |
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Recollections
2a.
The County
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Thank you to John (Ian ) Davie
for adding the comments below to the EdinPhoto guest book: |
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The Cinema
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"What a lovely surprise to find your
site. I lived directly opposite the front of the cinema at
Wauchope Avenue and, as a boy, couldn't get to sleep at nights
because of the booming sound-track.
I also well remember the owner, Mr.
Paulo, who was plump and wore a long camel coat and smoked cigars.
His appearance reminded me of Mussolini.
The programmes changed thrice weekly
with a children's matinee on a Saturday morning and usually long
queues for all performances.
I specifically recall having headaches
on leaving the matinees because of the noise and darkness inside
followed by the glare outside."
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Message in guest book from John (Ian) Davie: March 28, 2006 |
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Recollections
2b.
Street Games |
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John Davie wrote:
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My "Gird" and "Tichie-Can"
"When I see my grandchildren now playing with
their expensive toys and bicycles, my mind goes back to my "gird" and
taking it for a run. It comprised a bicycle-wheel minus tyre and spokes
which you kept on the move by hitting the rim with a bit stick.
I also recall making a "tichie-can" from a used
tin can filled with holes made with a nail and with a loop of string
affixed to the top. We would fill the can with paper and wood, light it,
and keep it burning by whirling it around your head so that it roared and
emitted smoke."
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Message in guest book from John (Ian) Davie: March 28, 2006 |
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Recollections
2c.
The County
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Eric Gold replied |
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"Give the guy from Craigmillar my kindest regards.
He is
right that cinema the County you could hear the films from the Whithoose pub let
alone opposite (ha ha ha) I will speak soon."
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Eric Gold, East End, London: March 29, 2006 |
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Recollections
3a.
Street Games |
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Marion Ramsay, Dalkeith, wrote:
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Tichie-Can and Yo-Yo
"I'm
curious about 'Tichie Can'.
I wondered if that was Tich Davie's own invention.
I remember the Bobby on the beat. Saturday
mornings. We used to have yo-yo competitions. He showed us how to
walk the dog and loop the loop.
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Marion Ramsay, Dalkeith, Midlothian, Scotland: January 14, 2007 |
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Recollections
3b.
Shops |
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Marion Ramsay, Dalkeith, wrote:
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Wauchope Crescent
"Round the corner from the launderette were 3
other shops. in Wauchope Crescent.
They were:
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a grocers called Willie Watsons.
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a fruit shop owned by Frank Hunter.
- a shoe shop associated
with Cunninghams on Niddrie Mains Road."
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Pocket Money
"People
came to the shoe shop with their 'Provi' cheques and kitted out their kids
for school. I know this because I used to help out on a Saturday
afternoon to earn pocket money!
I also had a paper round. Charles Combe's Shop
in Niddrie Mains Drive, across from Jimmy Neris' chip shop and Keith's the
grocers."
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Butchers
"Next door was a butchers, where you asked for
a bone for the dog, although we never had one. It was to make the
soup with!!!" |
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Marion Ramsay, Dalkeith, Midlothian, Scotland: January 14, 2007 |
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Recollections
4.
The County
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John Gray, Stenhouse, Edinburgh wrote:
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"I used to get dumped in The County by my
father every Saturday, when he was a travelling salesman. Saturdays
was Bingham / Craigmillar visiting time.
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I
thought that the Manager's name was Mr polo, but i see from a previous
post that it was in fact the owner who was called Mr Paulo.
I
was only about ten, so my memory is not too bad. My lasting memory
of him was that when we kids got a bit boisterous. He had a big
stick which he smashed against the wooden partition separating the walkway
and the seats, and he screamed at us to 'shut up'.
Happy
days, indeed."
John Gray: Stenhouse, Edinburgh: May
27, 2007
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Recollections
5.
The County
and
Summer Holidays
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Rickie Stewart, was brought up in Greendykes,
Niddrie Marischal and Niddrie House. He now lives in Prestonpans,
East Lothian, Scotland.
Ricki wrote:
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The County
"I remember going to the County
at Craigmillar. We begged our Mother for
sixpence to go and see 'It Came From Outer Space' and then ran out because
we were scared half way through the film.
There was a shop around the corner from The
Gaff where we went for carbine for our dad for his miner's lamp."
Summer Holidays
Craigmillar/Niddrie was OK when I was growing
up. Everyone was in the same boat. During
the summer holidays you went out in the morning and didn't come home till
tea time. Up to the woods where you could play all day without any fear."
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Ricky Stewart, Prestonpans, East Lothian, Scotland
Message in EdinPhoto Guest Book March 6, 2008.
Ricki: You did not give any dates, so I hope I've added your
comments to the right decades! |
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Recollections
6.
Margaret Calder
Craigmillar, Edinburgh |
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Thank you to Margaret Calder who
posted this message in the EdinPhoto guest book:
Margaret wrote:
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Craigmillar Primary School
Reunion?
"I'd like to hear from anyone
who attended Craigmillar
Primary School from
1959 until 1966
I've been trying to
trace primary school friends to arrange a reunion.
We all lost touch after going to all different secondary schools.
It would be nice to
hear from someone.
Margaret Calder, Craigmillar, Edinburgh:
Message left in Edinphoto guest book, July 21, 2008.
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Contacting Margaret
If you'd like to contact Margaret Calder,
please
email me, then I'll pass on your message to her.
Thank you. -
Peter
Stubbs: July 22, 2008 |
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Reply |
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Thank you to:
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Richard Dickson, now living in Canada
for emailing me on July 24, 2008.
- Thank you to Archie Ferguson who emailed me
on December 13, 2008.
I hope you have both now been able to contact
Margaret by email.
- Peter
Stubbs: December 13, 2008 |
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Recollections
7.
Graeme Fulton |
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Thank you to Graeme Fulton who wrote:
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Poem
"I lived with my
parents at 9 Craigmillar Castle Grove from the
mid-1960s to early-1970s.
I have only good memories of Craigmillar.
Like Helen, I was
disappointed to see it deteriorate. That prompted
me to write this poem back in 1996.
It may prompt more memories now:"
Craigmillar Memories
"What happened to
Craigmillar?
It'll never be the same,
When doors wur aye left open
And neighbours hooses yae treated as yer ain.
If it rained and yer washing wis left oot
The neighbors brought it in,
And tae borrow a cup o sugar wis
Never classed as a mortal sin.
In the streets the bairns awe played taegether
We played oor simple games,
Peevers, kick the can, gurders and
Even chuckie staines.
In the back greens,
that's wur we held oor concerts
And joined in tae Mr Beaumonts sunshine show,
We told a joke or sung a song
even the Mums would have a go.
I loved to hear the yell
Frae the toffee appleman,
And as bairns gathering roond him
Like a gathering o the clans
Fur
tuppence you got yer apple
Then you went hame,
What happened to Craigmillar?
It'll never be the same.
And let's no furget
times wur hard and
Money wis always tight,
As most o the weeks wages wur spent
by the end o' Saturday night.
But you never heard o'
muggings, drugs or
Stealing oaf yer ain,
A'body wis in it taegether wur
Awe classed as the same.
I think people's too
greedy noo
Wanting fancy cars, hooses and claes,
We'll never turn the clock back
Tae the guid auld days.
Some might think I'm
wrong and
I'm just no being fair,
But I don't think it's just
Craigmillar
It's happening everywhere."
©
Graeme Fulton
Graeme Fulton, Ormiston, East Lothian,
Scotland: July 15, 2009 |
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Recollections
8.
Jimmy Cunningham
Gracemount, Edinburgh |
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Thank you to Jimmy Cunningham who wrote:
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Craigmillar and
Australia
"I lived in Craigmillar,
on and off, in the 1960s and
1970s.
My mum and dad,
Chrissie and Davie Cunningham, along with myself and 4 brothers Tam, John,
Davie and Andy emigrated to Sydney Australia for nearly three years
during that time. We were called the
'£10 Poms'.
It took us a whole month on a liner to get
there.
We had to stick it out
there for nearly three years in order to return for the £10 fare.
We could have returned sooner but
we would have had to pay the full fare which we could not afford
Before we went, we
lived in Craigmillar Castle Terrace. When
we eventually returned to Edinburgh, after
failing to settle in Australia, we came back to
Craigmillar Castle Avenue, with very little money and a trunk containing
all our belongings."
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Guiders
"When we lived
in Craigmillar Castle Terrace, I spent
a lot of my time
with my school pals, James Rutherford, Steven McDonald and Charles
McCourt, collecting wood and any kind of wheels
to make guiders. (wooden carts on wheels)
With a bit of rope and our feet
to steer it we would run across Craigmillar Castle Road to the far end of
the Terrace and back again, taking turns to
either push it, or sit on it and steer for hours after school."
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Ice
Cream Van
"Another
game we used to play was to hold on to the back bumper of the ice cream
van for as long as we could after it pulled away to go to its next call.
(We did this for a dare.
The idea was to see who would be
the last person to let go of the van.)
One day I held on for too long as
the van picked up speed. I got too scared to let
go and held on. It dragged me right across
the main junction. I remember shouting but the driver could not hear me
because of the chimes.
My shins and knee's were in one
heck of a mess when the driver did stop, and I still have the scars to
this day."
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Sugarally Water
"Does
anyone from Craigmillar remember Sugarally Water?
We could never afford to buy
bottles of proper juice or lemonade. Mum
used to give us money to go down to the chemist for what I can only
call thick pieces of what looked like licorice sticks.
We would snap them into bits and pop them into an empty juice
bottle filled with water.
The bottle had to be kept in the
dark, always under my bed, and the licorice
would eventually dissolve into the water. The bottle needed to be
vigorously shaken regularly to speed up the process.
Lets just say that after a week the
contents were very dark and flat and it had a taste of its own. But we
made it week after week.
The bottle would then be left
beside a goal post usually a jumper, and was always emptied during a long
game of football.
Does anyone know exactly what was
in the sticks we bought from the chemist to make the drink?"
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Rag & Bonne Man
"I
remember there used to be a rag and bone man.
He would come around collecting old clothes either sounding a horn,
shouting or ringing a bell, to let people
know he was in the area.
If you handed over one item of
clothing such as a shirt he would give
you a balloon. More clothes than that would mean something like a lucky
bag or bigger bags of sweets.
One time,
when he came to the street I grabbed a scarf from the hall (that was not
to be given to him) and got the usual balloon. My mum went 'radge' at me
and ran down the street after him, taking the balloon with her to get it
back."
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Fish & Chip Van
"I
can also remember a mobile fish and chip van,
regularly parking on the junction of Craigmillar Castle Terrace where it
met Craigmillar Castle Road.
A mobile fish and chip van with
all that hot fat sloshing about while it drove from one stop to another!
I doubt it would be allowed today."
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Other Families
"Family's we
remember from that time at
Craigmillar are:
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the
McCartneys.
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the Poultons.
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the Rutherfords.
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the Henrys.
-
the Brennans.
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the
Handrens.
We would love to find out how they are doing
now, and if they remember
us."
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Jimmy Cunningham, Gracemount, Edinburgh:
August 26, 2009 |
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Reply?
If you'd like to send a reply to Jimmy,
please email me, then I'll pass on your message to him.
Thank you.
- Peter
Stubbs: August 26, 2009 |
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Recollections
9.
Jimmy Cunningham
Gracemount, Edinburgh |
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Thank you to Jimmy Cunningham who wrote:
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Barber's Shop
"Does anyone remember
a barber in the 1950s-60s, somewhere in
Craigmillar or Niddrie, called Gaegi?
His name was pronounced 'Gaygie', but I'm not
sure of the spelling. My brothers seem to
think he might have been Hungarian or Polish,
or at least East European.
My brothers and I would say when we went
for a haircut: 'I'm am going for a Gaegi' or 'I'm going for a Gaegi
Special'.
Still, today, when we meet each other, we will say: 'Where did you get the
Gaegi?"
Jimmy Cunningham, Gracemount, Edinburgh:
September 28, 2009 |
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Reply?
If you'd like to send a reply to Jimmy,
please email me, then I'll pass on your message to him.
Thank you.
- Peter
Stubbs: September 28, 2009 |
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Recollections
10.
Davy Turner
Craigmillar, Edinburgh |
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Thank you to Davy Turner who replied to 9 above.
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Davy Turner wrote:
Barber's Shop
'Tannery Gaygie'
"In reply to Jimmy
Cunningham's query regarding a barber called
Gaygie, I remember him
as being called Tannery Gaygie as he used to charge a tanner (sixpence)*
for a bowl crop cut.
He
never had a shop, as far as I
am aware. Some local kids used to go to
his house in the Niddrie /
Wauchope area, if i remember correctly.
I only went the once,
thinking I was being clever as my dad had given
me a shilling**
to get my hair cut at the local barber.
I decided to get my hair cut at Tannery Gaygie's
and pocket the other tanner.
Big Mistake! Needless
to say, it was my first and last attempt at
pulling the wool over my dad's eyes."
Davy Turner, Craigmillar, Edinburgh: October 1, 2009 |
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*
Sixpence = 2.5 new pence = £0.025.
** A shilling = 5
new pence = £0.05 |
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Recollections
11.
Jimmy Cunningham
Gracemount, Edinburgh |
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Jimmy Cunningham replied to 10 above.
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Jimmy wrote
Barber's Shop
"David Turner's comments about
'Tannery
Gaygie' ring a bell. I have heard my elder
brothers use that expression.
I am also pretty sure that Gaygie could only
do one style, and yes that was a bowl cut."
Jimmy Cunningham, Gracemount, Edinburgh:
September 28, 2009 |
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Recollections
12.
Carol Lamond
Argyll, Scotland |
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Carol Lamond wrote |
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The Lamond Family
Granny
"My Granny Lamond and my
father, Jimmy Lamond,
lived at 10 Harewood Drive in
the 1960s and 1970s, having moved there from Loanhead.
Neighbour
"Upstairs
lived an elderly woman called Mrs Trotter, who used to sing
'And it's Oh
that I'm longing for my ain folk'."
Father
"My father Jimmy
(born 1931) was the youngest of a family of five with an older brother and
three older sisters: Willy, Cathy, Ellen, Dorothy. Dad
was in the Merchant Navy and was also a coalman,
amongst other work.
He has not told us much about our family, but
I do remember him telling me that as a young boy he used to hide the
shilling pieces down the windowsill when the gas meter was emptied and
counted, to be retrieved later."
Grandad
"Although I never
knew my Grandad William, who died before I was
born, I was always told that his policeman's hat remained on the door to
scare would-be burglars.
The funny thing is I think he was a gardener
and had served in the army in India, but had
never been a policeman."
The Family
"Does anyone have
any memories of my family? I live in
Argyll now, although as a child I lived in Magdalene Gardens,
Edinburgh."
Carol Lamond, Argyll, Scotland: October 6, 2009 |
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Reply to Carol
If you'd like to send a reply to Carol,
please email me, then I'll pas
on her contact details to you. Thank you.
Peter Stubbs: October 6, 2009 |
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Recollections
13.
Johnni
MacKenzie-Anderson
(aka
Johni Stanton)
Craigmillar,
Edinburgh |
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Thank you to Johnni MacKenzie-Anderson who wrote:
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The Mighty Block
"We would take
the road from Craigmillar Crossroads, along
Peffermill Road, turn left up Bridgend into Old Dalkeith Road, continue up
to Edmonstone, then turn left along towards
the road up to where the City Bypass is now.
We'd then turn left again, up the Wisp
Road, continuing down to the Wisp Crossroads,
then turn left along Niddrie Mains Road and back
to Craigmillar Crossroads.
For a bunch of 10-year-olds
who just built their first bikes from parts scavenged at the City Dump on
Old Dalkeith Road, that was a good long trip
round the 'block'!"
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The Dump
"Getting to the dump was,
in itself, an adventure.
You had to go through the 'Danger Woods', skirting the 80 ft drops
along the cliff top, toward the woods next to
the Inch area, while also trying to avoid being seen by farmer AND Dump
workers, 'cos they chased you away!
Not that they ever succeeded, since
all the kids
in my street (Craigmillar Castle Terrace) had
bikes that we built from those scavenged parts,
from frames to wheels!" |
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Johnni MacKenzie-Anderson (aka Johnni
Stanton): November 9,
2009
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Recollections
14.
Jim Salkeld
Sighthill, Edinburgh |
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Here is another reply to the question in 10 above.
It comes from Jim Salkeld who wrote:
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Barber's Shop
"I remember Gaegi, the barber at Niddrie,
very well indeed. His name was William Gay
and he lived in Niddrie Mains Drive where it cut across the top and lower
half of Wauchope Road.
I was born and brought-up at
4 Wauchope Road and lived in
12 Wauchope Road after I was married.
I lived in Niddrie for 37
years, then moved to the west side of Edinburgh in 1988.
I have many fond memories of Niddrie and Craigmillar.
It was a great place to live."
Jim Salkeld, Sighthill, Edinburgh:
March 7, 2010 |
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Recollections
15.
Georgina Lynch
Murrayfield,
Edinburgh |
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Thank you to Georgina Lynch who replied to Jimmy
Cunningham's message in 8 above.
Georgina wrote:
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Ice Cream Van
and Chip Van
"It was great to hear of all these
stories of Craigmillar and how there were visits
by the rag and bone man, the ice cream van with the boys hanging off
the end of them - great times for reminiscing.
I also remember the chip van
and how it went on fire one day directly outside our house (10
Craigmillar Castle Terrace) and my dad going off
to help douse the flames. The smell
lingered in the air for weeks afterwards."
Games
"Does
anybody remember:
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the peevers?
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kerby?
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concerts in the back greens?
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pole swings?"
Georgina Lynch, Murrayfield, Edinburgh:
September 5, 2010 |
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Recollections
16.
Tam Ford
Mid Calder, West Lothian,
Scotland |
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Thank you to Thomas Ford who read Carol Lamond's
Recollections 12 above and replied: |
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10 Harewood Drive
"Carol mentions a
Mrs Trotter of 10 Harewood Drive. That's
my uncle's mum (Arthur Trotter). He's 80 now.
I only know that he lived at No.10 because my
dad, Tam Ford of Harewood Drive got the No.10 plate from the stair when
they were knocking it down. He gave it to Arthur who now lives in
Australia."
Tam Ford, Mid Calder, West Lothian,
Scotland: September 7, 2010 |
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Recollections
17.
Wullie Jennings
Oxford, Oxfordshire, England |
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Thank you to Wullie Jennings who wrote |
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Neighbours
"I lived in
Craigmillar Castle Terrace and Road from 1955 until
1975. It was a
great place to have grown up in. At least
you knew your neighbour's then, unlike today."
Chip Van
"Georgina Lynch (15
above) is right about where the chip van caught fire.
When the van turned left into Craigmillar Castle Terrace the
cooking fat, which was heating up as the chippie
drove to his pitch, must have overspilled onto
the engine.
I believe that it was,
in fact, an old bus.
All
that was left of it was the chassis.
This ended up down in Duddingston Road West, just past the little
house, by the old railway line."
Ice Cream Van
"The ice cream man
who used to do the rounds in Craigmillar was known as Rudy,
but I believe that his correct name was Antonio Capavani (or something
like that)."
Wullie Jennings, Oxford, Oxfordshire,
England: January 8, 2011 |
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Recollections
18.
Mike Thomson
Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire,
Scotland |
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Thank you to Mike Thomson who wrote about the
fireworks factory that used to be near Craigmillar Castle. He hopes
that others will remember this factory and be able to tell him more about
it.
Mike wrote: |
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Fireworks Factory
Research
"I'm from Aberdeen,
but I studied in Edinburgh during the 1960s and ever since then
Edinburgh has been a 'home from home'.
For some time I've been researching a subject
that's been touched on by one or two of your contributors in their
recollections of the Craigmillar area - the fireworks factory that was at
one time situated in one of the old quarries by Craigmillar Castle.
I was able to gather enough material to write a
fairly sketchy article for a magazine called 'Fireworks' a few years ago,
but I have a long way to go yet.
Yes,
there's a magazine for firework professionals
and nostalgia-wallowers alike!
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19th Century
Chessel's Court
"The
firework concern's founder was Thomas Hammond.
He came to Edinburgh from Birmingham some time around 1860 and by
1866 was operating from a shop in Chessel's Court, Canongate.
It was his activities that caused the great Canongate
fire on 9 October 1867 - the chemicals he was working with went up,
leading to a massive fire and explosion. He escaped, but his assistant
died in the explosion and his wife died later in hospital."
Powderhall
"He disappeared for a time but in 1870,
remarried, he was back in business with a small factory at the then
Powderhall Recreation Grounds."
Craigmillar
"By 1881, Powderhall was becoming built-up, so Hammond
moved once again, setting up as Thomas Hammond & Co in The Castle Works in
one of several worked-out sandstone quarries at Craigmillar - well away
from everybody!
Describing himself as 'Firework Artist', he provided
displays for all sorts of occasions, made retail
fireworks for sale both at home and abroad, had
a line in marine rockets and signal flares, and imported foreign fireworks
as well.
In Scotland, and certainly in Edinburgh, at that time
it was Victoria Day that was celebrated with fireworks, not Guy Fawkes
Day. I don't know when that changed - maybe EdinPhoto
contributors might know.
Anyway, Thomas Hammond was very much the driving
force behind the company, and after his death in 1896 it never had the
same profile. The factory continued under members of his family but,
as far as I have been able to find, the days of
big display work were over and facts about the company and what it made
from this time on are very hard to trace."
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1950s to
1970s
"Under
Hammond's youngest daughter, Violet Thomson, shop fireworks were
apparently being made in the 1950s and the firm remained active until at
least the early 1960s, but how active, and making what, is not clear.
Violet apparently went on working until well
after what we would consider retirement age; she did finally give up some
time in the 1960s and died in 1970, but I have
never been able to find out when the factory closed. The company's name
appears in the Edinburgh Directory up to 1973, but by that time it was
long gone.
When I lived in Edinburgh in the late-1960s,
I never heard Hammonds fireworks mentioned, and
nobody I have spoken to since in Edinburgh has any recollection of them.
In the 1950s and maybe even in the 1960s some were made for export under
the name Victory Fireworks, but whether these were also sold here under
that name no-one seems to know."
Directories
"Interestingly, in
the Edinburgh Directory from 1954 onwards the company is no longer
described as firework manufacturers, and I wonder whether this is a clue.
In the face of huge competition from the major manufacturers and their
very aggressive marketing tactics, smaller firms were badly squeezed and
some disappeared or were taken over."
Questions
"Could it be that
Hammonds decided to go over to export work and perhaps other lines of
non-firework pyrotechnics, putting the local sale of Hammond shop
fireworks much further back in the past? It's only a conjecture.
Is the answer out there?
Might any Edinphoto contributors remember
Hammond fireworks, or be able to shed and light at at all on this rather
obscure corner of the city's history?"
Danger Woods
"The Edinphoto
recollections of 'Danger Woods' are interesting.
It was dangerous, all right. Apparently
the little sheds that made up the closed firework factory were left full
of chemicals, some highly hazardous, and these were disposed of
underground when the the site was cleared for a rubbish dump in 1970."
Explosion
"Years later,
in 1982, the whole lot went up in an almighty
explosion which is thought to have been caused by the formation of
hydrogen which eventually ignited. No doubt those who were resident in
Craigmillar at that time will remember it well.
Certainly, it can't be said that Hammond's didn't go out with a
bang!"
Mike Thomson, Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire,
Scotland: January 27, 2011 |
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Reply to Mike?
If you remember anything about
the fireworks factory,
please email me, then I'll pass on your message to
Mike. Thank you.
Peter Stubbs, Edinburgh: February
4, 2011 |
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Recollections
18.
Reply
1.
Johnni
MacKenzie-Anderson
(aka
Johni Stanton)
Craigmillar Archives
Trust,
Edinburgh |
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Thank you to Johnni who wrote:
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Research
"I
did some research into the fireworks factory last September. It was
my playground in the 1960. I'll be happy to share my memories of it
later.
- I found two
Hammond adverts on this page on the
Fireworks Ads
web site.
- I found an article
about the 1982 explosion in the New Scientist."
- I'm in the process
of procuring some photos of the factory workers in the 1890s.
- I'll be happy to
share my memories of the factory once I've attended to the needs of the
Craigmillar Archive Trust."
Johnni MacKenzie-Anderson (aka Johnni
Stanton), Craigmillar Archives Trust
February 4+5, 2011
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Recollections
18.
Reply
2.
Johnni
MacKenzie-Anderson
(aka
Johni Stanton)
Craigmillar Archives
Trust,
Edinburgh |
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Thank you to Johnni who added:
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Danger Woods
"I played in the Danger Woods a lot, like
- a real
lot! - and
can tell you that the factory ceased production around 1950 and was mostly
dismantled then.
The huts in the woods were used mainly
for storage for many years after 1950.
From the mid-1950s
onwards, they were constantly broken into by some local youths for
bonfire fireworks.
They didn't get their hand on actual fireworks,
only the gunpowder cubes (hundreds of them) which did all sorts of
colourful fireworkey things.
My wee brother,
Martin, who was around eight
at the time, did manage to find a Verey
pistol and
some bullets. That caused a stir in our
street, before we all fled at the first sight of
a cop on the horizon!
The huts were bulldozed and the collected
remnants of gunpowder transported a short distance to the local dump.
One of our Archives researchers,
Andy Wanstell, was a policeman at the
time and he remembers the explosion since he was one of the first on the
scene! I've got him doing some work on it."
Johnni MacKenzie-Anderson (aka Johnni
Stanton), Craigmillar Archives Trust
February 4, 2011
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Recollections
18.
Reply
3.
Mike Thomson
Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire,
Scotland |
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Thank you to Mike who replied:
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Early-1950s
"Thank you to Johnni
Stanton for coming back so quickly. It certainly settles the question of
what happened to Hammonds and why the trail goes cold after the early
1950s. I knew that the company had got going again after the second world war.
For a time, they made jumping crackers
for another firm in exchange for some other type of firework but that
ended about 1951 when, it is said, they 'got into difficulties'."
Even if Hammonds
made it into 1951, that must have been their
last season. No wonder the Edinburgh Directory doesn't carry any
entry for firework manufacturers after 1953.
Interestingly, the
site is shown as an 'explosives factory' near the top-left corner of this
1955 Bartholomew map:
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It's rather amazing that the authorities
should have allowed those sheds, full of what
were pretty hazardous chemicals, to just sit
around like that - and for years and years too. I don't,
somehow, think they'd allow it now!"
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World War II
"Hammonds was a very
small firm and, very likely,
it would not have been able to compete with the
major manufacturers. We have no idea what, if anything, they
produced during the war.
Firework manufacturers had to store any
finished stock for the duration. Some
concerns would have been on 'war work';
others would have had to suspend operations. If this was the
case with Hammonds, maybe they never were able to build up a market again.
Even if they had, they would have come up against such a deluge of
restrictions and safety regulations that it seems difficult to see how
they could have survived."
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Mike Thomson, Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire,
Scotland:
February 5, 2011 |
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Recollections
18.
Reply
4.
Ian Hammond Brown |
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Thank you to Ian who replied:
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Family
"I read with interest
the comments above about the Hammond fireworks factory. I grew up
with tales of this factory from my Grandmother Rebecca Hay (nee.
Hammond) who was related to the family. I believe Thomas was her uncle.
My Gran
used to tell me about:
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my great uncle, one of Thomas' other brothers
who apparently blew his arm off in an explosion, while
he was experimenting with a new idea for a firework, when the
business was based at Powderhall in Edinburgh.
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how, when she
was young, she would be treated to fabulous
fireworks displays on bonfire night made for the family.
When I was younger I also remember being shown
photos of the factory and workers and my Gran showing me a small
handwritten notebook that contained 'recipes' for fireworks.
Unfortunately, after she died in 1991, aged
89, I don't know what happened to the book or photos"
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Any More Information?
"I would be interested
to discover more about the history of the family business."
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Ian
Hammond Brown, Composer, Lyricist: May 15, 2011 |
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Recollections
18.
Reply
5.
David Thomson |
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Thank you to David Thomson who replied:
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"It's nice to hear of the interest in
Craigmillar."
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Flares
"It is my belief
that near the end, Hammond's
Firework Factory produced flares for the
RNLI."
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Explosion
"When the factory
closed the contents were dumped in one of the quarries and in the 1980s,
there was a problem with internal combustion which caused an explosion."
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David Thomson, Broughton, Edinburgh October 4, 2011 |
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Recollections
18.
Reply
6.
Mike Thomson
Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire,
Scotland |
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Thank you to Mike Thomson for writing again.
Mike wrote:
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Hammond's Fireworks
Hammond's at Craigmillar
"I've just been catching up with the
latest contributions from Ian Hammond Brown and David Thomson on the
Hammonds firework business at Craigmillar. These are most interesting.
Hammond's at
Powderhall
"The
location of Thomas Hammond's factory at Powderhall appears to have been a
piece of ground between what was to become Powderhall Stadium and the
Water of Leith. It can be seen on old maps and it seems to approximate,
since the area's redevelopment for housing, to the area bounded by
Powderhall Road, Powderhall Brae and Powderhall Rigg.
I don't suppose disastrous industrial
accidents were exactly uncommon in the 1870s, but given that
Thomas Hammond's activities had just about blown
up half the Canongate the last time things went wrong, one might wonder
whether the loss of a limb by a member of his family in a further accident
might have kept the city authorities in mind of the dangerous nature of
his business and directly or indirectly resulted in his move to
Craigmillar."
Pyrotechnics
"David
Thomson's observation seems to confirm that Hammond's carried on their
traditional lines of pyrotechnic business outwith the making of shop
fireworks. It also seems to tie in very neatly with
Johnni Stanton's recollection of the finding of a Very pistol in
the defunct works."
Advertisements
"Hammond's are known to have advertised their
own brand of Victory Fireworks in places like The Scout magazine and the
Games and Toys Yearbook up to 1952 - perhaps 1953. After that there is no
further mention of their own product and it looks as if that was the point
when the making of their own shop product ceased. Yet the company was not
wound up.
It continued with Yearbook entries under 'amorces',
'fireworks' and 'indoor fireworks and sparklers' until 1970 when Violet
Thomson died."
Signal Rockets
"The Edinburgh
Directory has no mention of Hammonds as firework manufacturers after 1953,
but a general entry for them continues in the alphabetical section. So
they were still selling something, and members of the Hammond family
recollect having had fun with ships' signal
rockets during the 1950s and 1960s.
It seems that Violet Thomson continued as a
dealer in pyrotechnics of one kind or another, even if only in a small
way, more or less to the end of her life"
'Fireworks Magazine'
"I am writing this up for 'Fireworks'
magazine, and I hope that the information given by the New Scientist's
account of the explosion of the dump of ex-Hammonds chemicals might enable
the experts who read it to tell us more about what the factory was
producing latterly.
It is already clear that many of the chemicals
involved were used to make pyrotechnic colours, which would certainly bear
out the idea of flares." |
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Mike Thomson, Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire,
Scotland:
November 28, 2011 |
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Recollections
19.
Elliot Laing
Broxburn, West Lothian,
Scotland |
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Thank you to Elliot Laing who replied:
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The Tablet Man
"Does anyone remember the 'tablet man'
coming round. This was my dad. He used to sell tablet, toffee
doddles, toffee apples etc. He went around
Craigmillar and Niddrie in his small van selling his
tablet between about 1956 and 1960.
He then stopped, and
started again with a small ice cream van from which he also sold his
tablet and sweets in the 1960s.
I seem to remember he had a huge following.
His name is Peter O'Malley. He is now 85 and in frail health but it would
be great to let him read any memories people may have of that time as he
made all the sweeties by himself.
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Gala
Queen
My
aunty, Nessie Robertson was five years older
than me. She was the Gala
Queen at Niddrie probably around 1955/56.
Mrs Sommerville (who owned the sweet shop,
I think) crowned her.
I remember how we all looked forward to our
bags with scotch pies and buns on gala day. Simple
pleasures back then, eh.
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Up
the Woods
I also remember going 'up
the woods' to play.
This was, of course the Wauchope estate.
We used to think a witch lived in the big house.
Whoever lived there must have been sick of us
kids shouting 'Auld granny witchy;
yer bums awfy itchy'."
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District Nurse
"Does
anyone remember the district
nurse in the 1950s, called nurse Elsie Easton?
She knew the name of
every kid in Niddries. How she
managed it, I will never know. She was a true
gem. All us kids loved her." |
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Elliot Laing, Broxburn, West Lothian, Scotland: March 18, 2011 |
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Recollections
20.
Alec Gallacher
Leith, Edinburgh
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Thank you to Alec Gallacher who wrote |
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The 1960s
Shows
"I remember
Mr Beaumont. He would
entertain us with shows like The Sandy Club with competitions between
Craigmillar and Peffermill Primary schools. He was a good man.
He cared for the kids and would give sweets to the winner.
The
Street
"I remember the coal
man in the street who would shout 'Coal', and the rag and bone man who
would shout 'Any Old Rags?' The rags were on us."
Alec Gallacher, Leith, Edinburgh, November
22, 2011
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