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Railways

Where is it?

No 5

Victoria Day  -  Where is it?

Perhaps Granton or Newhaven

Where is it  -  Photograph of a railway line and a pram.  Possibly Newhaven or Granton

©  Reproduced by courtesy of Phil Wilson, Aberdeen

Question

February 2006

Thank you to Phil Wilson, Aberdeen, Scotland. for sending the photograph above.  Phil wrote:

Where is it?

"I've been trying to work out where the railway line in the above photo could have been.

It must have been within walking distance of Victoria Park, Leith, as my mother and brother had been there on the same day (Victoria Day, 1948).

It's also unusual as people seem to be able to walk across the line. Could it have been down at Granton, or near Newhaven?"

Phil Wilson, Aberdeen:  February 19, 2006

 

Victoria Park

Victoria Park lies to the south of Newhaven Harbour.  It can be found upper-centre on this 1925 map of North Edinburgh.  This is a large map, so it may be slow to load, and you will probably need to use the scroll bars to scroll across and down the map.

Map of North Edinburgh

    Edinburgh and Leith map, 1925  -  North Edinburgh section ©

Please e-mail if you can help to answer Phil's question.  Thank you.

-  Peter Stubbs

 

Answers

February 2006

Thank you to the following for sending me more details about this photo.  I received the first three replies below, all within 24 hours of adding the picture to the web site.

1.

Patrick Hutton

Edinburgh

-  Probably Granton

2.

Walter Lyle Hume

Cowes, Isle of Wight, England

-  Granton Middle Pier

-  Earlier Photograph

3.

Ian McInnes

Bonnyrigg, Midlothian, Scotland

-  Granton Square

4.

Kenneth Williamson

Silverknowes, Edinburgh

-  Granton Middle Pier

-  Other Granton Trains

5.

Grant King

Aberdeenshire, Scotland

-  Brotchie's Coal Merchants

6.

Deano Griffin

Michigan, USA

-  The Couple in the Photo

7.

Johnny Hands

-  Brotchie's Coal Merchants

8.

James Nerve

Granton, Edinburgh

-  Granton Harbour - Middle Pier

 

Reply

1.

Patrick Hutton

 Edinburgh

Patrick wrote:

Probably Granton

"It's probably Granton.  There are no rails at Newhaven harbour.  The wall at the back looks like that in the pic of the steam loco shunting wagons onto the pier ~ 1955.

1955

   Edinburgh Railways  -  Granton Square  -  1955 ©

I think part of the line was not set into the road between the pier road crossing and the West Shore Road crossing - which would be where the photo was taken.

I will look at some other pics at home."

Patrick Hutton, Edinburgh:  February 20, 2006

 

Reply

2.

Walter Lyle Hume

Cowes, Isle of Wight, England

Walter Lyle Hume, Cowes, Isle of Wight, wrote:

Granton Harbour - Middle Pier

"They are always easy, if you know!  I recognised it instantly, situated on the left-hand side at the entrance to Granton Harbour Middle Pier.

During my immediate post-war years with the Northern Lighthouse Tenders, the Pharos was based at Middle Pier and the May was based at the shore end of the West Pier.

Sweet Shop

We used to call at the wooden shop immediately behind the baby's head, known as 'Koskie Joes', a sweet and newspaper shop, to pick up a paper.

Taxi Office

The smaller wooden hut to the right of the shop was a taxi office, operated by Peter King*, employed with Granton Harbour as a Crane Driver.

*Actually Hugh King:  See notes from Grant King (below).

Earlier Photograph

"This photograph was taken circa 1938, looking from the shoreline of Granton Western Harbour towards Granton Middle Pier.

Looking from the shore of Granton Western Harbour towards Granton Middle Pier  -  c. 1938

©  Reproduced with acknowledgement to Walter Lyle Hume, Cowes, Isle of Wight, England

The steam trawler in view is the Moray GN105 owned by Arch: Brown.  On the right-hand side of the photo there is an old abandoned fishing boat.  This was behind the kiosk."

Walter Lyle Hume:  Cowes, Isle of Wight.  February 20, 2006

 

Walter added

"I regularly visit the site and find it very interesting.

I could do with more of these 'Where is it?' photographs".

Walter Lyle Hume:  Cowes, Isle of Wight.  February 20, 2006

Walter:

Here are a few more "Where is it?" photographs.

I added them to the web site in 2005.

Some have been answered;  others have not yet. 

     -  Peter Stubbs

 

Reply

3.

Ian McInnes

Bonnyrigg, Midlothian, Scotland

Ian wrote:

Granton Square

"Can I suggest that the location of the picture is at Granton Square, to the west of the middle pier. The wall in the background was curved round a coal yard and the train lines also followed this round to the middle pier.

The wooden buildings at one time provided a small shop, boot maker and taxi office and you did indeed have to step over the rails at this point to cross into Granton Square / West Harbour Road."

Ian McInnes, Bonnyrigg, Midlothian, Scotland,  February 20, 2006

 

Reply

4.

Kenneth Williamson

Silverknowes, Edinburgh

Kenneth wrote:

Granton - Middle Pier

"This is Hardies Newsagents beside the Middle pier at Granton.  I think there may have been other businesses besides the newsagents but we were only concerned with the sweets, money permitting.

I was brought up in this area.  As a child we used to cross the railway line to buy sweeties, you would never get away with this now.

Granton Trains

Trains used to pass taking coal up to Granton Gas Works as well as going along to the West Pier to collect esparto grass and also the Ruberoid Company just below the Gas Works.

Sadly, everything is long gone now and flats are appearing on the pier and in the old NB yards.  The Caledonian Goods building still stands and is used by a scrap dealer.

Waugh's Scrap Yard

  Edinburgh Waterfront  -  The entrance to William Waugh's scrap yard at West Harbour Road, Granton  -  25 August 2002 ©

I spent a lot of my childhood here watching trains and fishing although you were never allowed to fish off the West or Middle Piers.

Eastern Breakwater

    Granton Breakwater  -  September 2002 ©

There was also a ship breaker's yard called, I think, Brechins in the area were I saw steam trawlers being broken up.

Once the wooden building was demolished the shop was transferred to a corner of Granton Square besides HMS Claverhouse (formerly The Granton Hotel).  The shop is now a takeaway called 'Jaws'.

I still pass this area regularly and regret the passing of the railway."

Kenneth G Williamson, Silverknowes, Edinburgh:  April 19, 2006

Kenneth added:

Brotchie's Coal Merchants

"I used to work as a coalman when I was about fifteen for Brotchie's coal merchants where the houses are being built at the entrance to Middle Pier from Granton Square.

I couldn't help notice how good the old Caley Goods Shed looks.   I'd love to see inside."

Kenneth G Williamson, Silverknowes, Edinburgh:  April 21, 2006

 

Reply

5.

Grant King

Aberdeenshire, Scotland

Grant wrote:

Granton - Middle Pier

"It's a bit late in the day as picture has been well identified. Just a couple of points for Walter Lyle Hume. 

If my memory serves me right, the taxi office was run by Hugh King.  Peter King was actually West Pier Manager / Foreman."

Grant King, Aberdeenshire, now working in Trinidad:  October 23, 2006

Thank you to Grant King, for also sending me information about the dredger, Rockchime,  in October 2006.

 

Reply

6.

Deano Griffin

Michigan, USA

I thought I was unlikely to receive any more comments about this photo. Then a message arrived from Deano, Michigan, USA, telling me about the lady in the background.

 Deano wrote:

"That's  my Mom, Margaret."

Where is it  -  Photograph of a railway line and a pram.  Possibly Newhaven or Granton ©

Deano Griffin, Michigan, USA:  March 24, 2008

Deano explained:

The Couple in the Photo

"My Cousin, Alan, found your web site.  He e-mailed me and told me to have a look at this picture.  He said  the lady with the man could pass as either his mother or mine, as they both look alike.

Alan also asked his Mom, Betty, to look at the picture."

Betty's Comment

"Right away she said:  'Thatís Oor Margaret and she's wearing my wedding suit'!

Betty informed us that Margaret went to a dance that day (Victoria Day, 1948) without informing her that she was going to wear Betty's suit."

My Mom

"My Mom married Bobby Griffin (not the man in the photo) who she met while he was in the Air Force stationed at Kirknewton."

Deano Griffin, Michigan, USA:  March 26, 2008

Deano added:

Relations

"My Grandmother, Elizabeth Heron, lived at 29 Boswell Loan, Granton, along with her 5 girls:

Mary.

Sally.

Annie.

Betty (Alan's Mom - see above).

-  Margaret (my Mom).

If you possibly knew any of the people above, please feel free to contact me at"

Deano Griffin, Michigan, USA:  March 26, 2008

Contacting Deano

If you would like to contact Dean (Deano) Griffin, please email me, then I'll pass your message on to him.

Thank you.    -  Peter Stubbs:  March 26, 2008

Reply

7.

Johnny Hands

Thank you to Johnny Hands for responding to Kenneth Williamson's comments in Reply 4 above.

Johnny wrote:

Brotchie's Coal Merchants

"I know its 5 years since some of the messages above have been posted, but I read Kenneth's input and was greatly interested. My maternal grandfather was David Brotchie.

I believe that the Brotchie Coal Merchants' business was started by his father.  Any information would be gratefully received

Johnny Hands, June 2011?

Reply to Johnnyrotchie Brotchie

If you'd like to send a reply to Johnny, please email me, then I'll pass on your message to him.    Thank you.

Peter Stubbs:  June 12, 2011

Reply

8.

James Nerve

Granton, Edinburgh

Thank you to James Nerve for also sending a reply about this photo.

James wrote:

Granton Harbour - Middle Pier

   Where is it  -  Photograph of a railway line and a pram.  Possibly Newhaven or Granton ©

"This photo was taken at the entrance to Middle Pier, Granton Harbour, beside:

-  The Coal Yards

-  Hugh King's Taxis

-  The News Agent

-  The Barber-  The  Cobbler

The company beside the entrance to Middle Pier now is:

-  Len Lothian.

My Home

 I was born at 20 Lower Granton Road.

James Nerve, Granton, Edinburgh:  September 18, 2014

 

 

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Photographs and Other Images  -  These include portraits of photographers  -  photographic outings -  Princes Street views  -  Newhaven Fishwives  -  etc.  Early Photography in Edinburgh  -  Talbot, Brewster, Hill & Adamson, Early Professional Photographers in Princes Street, etc.  Professional Photographers in Edinburgh  -  1840 to 1940  -  Their names, dates of business and studio addresses.  The Photographic Society of Scotland  -  1856 to 1873  -  Lectures, Exhibitions, Outings, etc.  The History of Edinburgh Photographic Society  -  1861 to date  -  Lectures, Exhibitions, Outings, Poems, etc.  EPS Publications - EPS Handwritten Records  -  Photographic Journals  -  Trade Directories  -  Books  -  etc.  Thanks to all who have encouraged and supported me in creating the EdinPhoto web site  -  including descendants of photographers  -  researchers  -  providers of photographs and other material  Background notes on the research thal led up to the creation of this site  -   together with lists of new material added to the site since its launch.  Brief comments on how this site might be used  -  Just browsing?  -  Seeking specific information?  Please add your questions, suggestions or other comments to the Guest Book.  Links to other web sites  -  Photographic Societies  -  Photographic History  -  Family History  -  etc.  Click here to find the link to the Edinburgh Photogrpahic Society web site.

 

A selection of my photographs, many from Edinburgh throughout the year.   Also photos from Scotland, London, Iceland, Italy, Hong Kong and elsewhere     Many old maps of Edinburgh (Old Town, New Town, while City), Leith and Newhaven.  Includes several old transport maps and a comparison of old maps with recent aerial photos.   Old engravings, mailly of Edinburgh scenes.  Some from the 1820s, some from the 1890s,  some others - includes many hand-coloured examples from the 1820s.   News from Edinburgh today  -  Events, Collections, Buildings and Gardens, Transport   This site includes     1. Post card portraits taken in studios in Edinburgh:    2. Post card views either takeen/published by Ediburgh photographers or views of Edinburgh, or both.y Edinburgh    Views of Edinburgh, grouped into three sections:     1. Street views:    2. Buildings:    3. Around Edinburgh   Views of transport around Edinburgh  -  Horse drawn trams and buses, cable cars, electric trams, buses and a few railway photos.  Also several maps of Edinburgh's bus and tram routes.   Links to pages with Photos of Groups   Frequently Asked Questions

  Summary of the updates added to this site each month since the site was launched   Links to Dumbiedykes pages  Link to Granton pages  Link to Leith pages   Link to Newhaven pages   Links to Portobello pages   Link to My Recent Talks