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A selection of my photographs, many from Edinburgh throughout the year.   Also photos from Scotland, London, Iceland, Italy, Hong Kong and elsewhere     Many old maps of Edinburgh (Old Town, New Town, while City), Leith and Newhaven.  Includes several old transport maps and a comparison of old maps with recent aerial photos.   Old engravings, mailly of Edinburgh scenes.  Some from the 1820s, some from the 1890s,  some others - includes many hand-coloured examples from the 1820s.   News from Edinburgh today  -  Events, Collections, Buildings and Gardens, Transport   This site includes     1. Post card portraits taken in studios in Edinburgh:    2. Post card views either takeen/published by Ediburgh photographers or views of Edinburgh, or both.y Edinburgh    Views of Edinburgh, grouped into three sections:     1. Street views:    2. Buildings:    3. Around Edinburgh   Views of transport around Edinburgh  -  Horse drawn trams and buses, cable cars, electric trams, buses and a few railway photos.  Also several maps of Edinburgh's bus and tram routes.   Links to pages with Photos of Groups   Frequently Asked Questions

  Summary of the updates added to this site each month since the site was launched   Links to Dumbiedykes pages  Link to Granton pages  Link to Leith pages   Link to Newhaven pages   Links to Portobello pages   Link to My Recent Talks

 

 

Edinburgh University, School of Literature, Language and Cultures, Celtic and Scottish Studies

2nd Year Lecture  -  March 3 2014

Ethnographic Photography and Postcards in Scotland

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This talk was subsequently given to Colinton Literary Society on February 4, 2015 under the title

Old Photographs and Postcards of Scotland

For further details on any of the topics below, please see these pages:    Ethnographic Photography      Ethnographic Postcards

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PHOTOGRAPHY

Early History

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PHOTOGRAPHY

Cameras and  Photos

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PHOTOGRAPHY

Photographic Societies

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PHOTOGRAPHY

Professional
Photographers

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POSTCARDS

Early History

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POSTCARDS

Postcard Use

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POSTCARDS

Publishers

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POSTCARDS

Views of Scotland

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Ethnographic Photography and Postcards in Scotland

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PHOTOGRAPHY

Early History

from 1839

 

Engravings

  • Before photography, there was painting, sketching, etching and engraving.  Engravings were used in newspapers such as the 'Illustrated London News' and in books;  first wood engravings, then metal engravings.

  • Here is an engraving from the book, 'Modern Athens', published in 1829 - ten years before the discovery of photography was announced.

  • This book included black and white engravings, but many copies of the book have been bought then 'broken up' so that the individual engravings could be removed, hand tinted (as in the examples below) then sold individually, framed in cardboard mounts, perhaps for about £0 each.

    1829

    Edinburgh Old Town and North Bridge  -  from Princes Street

    Engraving in'Modern Athens'  -  Edinburgh Old Town and Waverley Bridge from Princes Street

    ©  Copyright: For permission to reproduce, please contact peter.stubbs@edinphoto.org.uk

    Engraving from 'Modern Athens'  -  hand-coloured  -  Edinburgh Old Town and North Bridge from Princes Street

    ©  Reproduced with acknowledgement to Ian Smith

  • Here is a rather romantic view of Edinburgh from the same book.

  • Interest has been added by including two soldiers and two Newhaven fishwives in the foreground.

  •  

    Edinburgh Castle  -  view from below Ramsay Garden, the Mound

    Engraving in 'Modern Athens  -  Edinburgh Castle

    ©  Copyright: For permission to reproduce, please contact peter.stubbs@edinphoto.org.uk

    1890

    Even fifty years after the discovery of photography was announced, engravings were being used in books such as 'Old and New Edinburgh', published in 1890.

    Opening page of 'Old & New Edinburgh'  -  published 1890

    ©  Reproduced by courtesy of Jenny Parkerson

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    • There is a lot of action throughout the view of Granton Harbour below.  All the components have been included and positioned in a way that might not have been so easily achieved with photography.

  •  

    Granton Harbour

    Engraving from 'Old & New Edinburgh'  -  Granton Harbour

    ©  For permission to reproduce, please contact peter.stubbs@edinphoto.org.uk

    Engraving from "Old & New Edinburgh"  -  Granton Harbour  -  hand coloured

    ©  For permission to reproduce, please contact peter.stubbs@edinphoto.org.uk

     

 

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Until fairly recently, it was generally accepted that photography began around 1839.  However, there were experiments by a few individuals in earlier years.

However, experiments by both Wedgewood and Niépce are now thought to have played an important part in the history of photography.

The main problem initially for photography was not in being able to create the image, but in being able to find a way to 'fix' it so that it would not fade when exposed to light.

Wedgwood

Thomas Wedgwood (1778-1829) was born into a family of pottery manufacturers from Staffordshire, England.

In the early 1790s, he attempted to print photographs on materials including ceramic, glass, paper and white leather, believing that if he could produce photos, these could be useful in his education of young people.

Niépce

Joseph Nicéphore Niépce (1765-1833) was son of a wealthy lawyer.  He served in the French army under Napoleon, then became Administrator of the district of Nice.

From 1795, he devoted his life to scientific research.  With his brother, Claude, he invented and patented then developed what was probably the world's first internal combustion engine.

He experimented with photography in the mid-1820s.  The earliest of his photos to survive is view of rooftops from his window.  It was an 8-hour exposure taken in 1826.  This was on pewter, coated with bitumen disolved in lavender oil.

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Photography

Talbot and Daguerre

1839

Talbot

  • William Henry Fox Talbot:

  •  was born in 1800 in Dorset.

  •  was a member of Astronomical Society and Royal Society in London.

  •  became a Member of Parliament.

  •  studied classics and mathematics at Cambridge.

  •  was a biblical scholar, botanist and helped to decipher cuneiform script.

  •  knew Herschel and Brewster.

  •  developed an interest in photography while sketching with camera lucida.

  •  started experimenting with photography in 1834. 

  • 'Hair down, Collar up'

       Portrait of Talbot by Ivan Szavo -  Hair down, Collar up ©

    'Hair up, Collar down'

       Portrait of Talbot by Ivan Szavo -  Hair up, Collar down ©

    Both photographs above were taken by Ivan Szabo.  They are reproduced
    from the National Museum of Photography, Film and Television collection,
    by courtesy of the Science and Society Picture Library.   Click here for link to web site.

    Daguerre

  • Louis-Jacques-Mandé Daguerre:

  •  was born in 1787 in France

  •  was a painter who designed diorama scenes for the theatre

  •  partnered Nicéphore Niépce, and experimented with photography

  •  continued experimenting with photography after Niépce's death in 1833.

  •   

    Fathers of Photography  -  LJM Daguerre  -  Published in a supplement to The Practical Photographer  -  1 August 1891

    ©  Reproduced by courtesy of Edinburgh Photographic Society

Photography Announced

Events of 1839**

  • Daguerre announced his discovery in early 1839.

  • Talbot responded almost immediately, announcing his discovery.

  • In fact, the two methods were entirely different

  • Daguerre had discovered a way of creating a single image on metal.

  • Talbot had discovered a way of creating multiple images on paper.

  • ** 1839 has generally regarded as the beginning of photography, though recent research suggests that Niépce probably deserves to have been given more credit for its discovery.  See Nicephore Niépce House Museum web site.

The Latticed Window (Talbot)

A print from the oldest photographic negative in existence

Print made from the oldest negative in existence  -  The Latticed Window at Lacock Abbey, photographed by Talbot in 1835

©  Reproduced from the National Museum of Photography, Film and Television collection,
by courtesy of the Science and Society Picture Library.

Edinburgh

  • Both Daguerre and Talbot had connections with Edinburgh, particularly Talbot.

  • Daguerre painted stage scenes.  Here is one of Holyrood Palace:

  • I've not found any evidence that he ever came to Edinburgh.

Holyrood Abbey, Edinburgh (Daguerre)

An oil painting

Holyrood Chapel  -  Painting by Daguerre

©  Reproduced by courtesy of The Board of Trustees of the National Museums & Galleries
on Merseyside (Walker Art Gallery, Liverpool) 

  • Talbot visited Edinburgh in the early 1840s to take photographs for his book  'Sun Pictures of Scotland', published in 1845.

  • Talbot lived in Edinburgh for 10 years from 1855, but by that time he had moved on from his initial interest for photography and was taking more interest in engraving processes

  • Talbot was one of six prominent photographers elected as Honorary Members of Edinburgh Photographic Society in 1862.  Did he attend any of the society's meetings?

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Reaction in Edinburgh

See also 'Further Notes'

  • Edinburgh was well placed to react to the discovery of photography, having several active learned societies.

  • There was a keen interest in photography at the Royal Scottish Society of Arts.  Members experimented and presented their results to the society.

  • There was a visit to Daguerre's studio in Paris by members of the Royal Society of Edinburgh, who reported their findings back to their society.

Edinburgh Exhibitions

1st Exhibition

  • On 15 October 1839, James Howie placed an announcement in The Scotsman:

Mr Howie, artist, 64 Princes Street,

 begs leave respectfully to inform the Nobility, Gentry and Public,

 that he has succeeded in producing some beautiful specimens in the above 

NEW ART on SILVER, 

the first public exhibition of its kind in Scotland

2nd Exhibition

  • In December,  an Exhibition of Arts, Manufacturers and Practical Science  was held at  Assembly Halls, George Street, from 24 Dec 1839 until 7 Jan 1840.

Talbot's work was included in this exhibition.  Daguerre also exhibited in Edinburgh;  I assume this would have been at the same exhibition.

This Exhibition attracted over 50,000 visitors.

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Early Photographers
in St Andrews

See also 'Further Notes'

1.

Thomas Rodger Sen.

dressed in Newhaven Fishwives' costume.

Thomas Rodger [sen.] - dressed in Newhaven Fishwives' costume.

©   Reproduced by courtesy of St Andrews University Library                                A LB49-11

  • Here, he is seated beside a well known violinist, but has chosen to play the bellows rather than the violin!

2.

Thomas Rodger Sen.  "Playing the Bellows"

seated beside Hungarian violinist, Edouard Remeny.

Thomas Rodger [sen.] - Playing the bellows" seated beside the Hungarian violinist, Edouard Remeny.

©   Reproduced by courtesy of St Andrews University Library                                                      ALB49-12

 

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Edinburgh University, School of Literature, Language and Cultures, Celtic and Scottish Studies

2nd Year Lecture  -  March 3 2014

Ethnographic Photography and Postcards in Scotland

-  -  -  -  -  -  -  -

This talk was subsequently given to Colinton Literary Society on February 4, 2015 under the title

Old Photographs and Postcards of Scotland

For further details on any of the topics below, please see these pages:    Ethnographic Photography      Ethnographic Postcards

1

PHOTOGRAPHY

Early History

Page 1

2

PHOTOGRAPHY

Cameras and  Photos

Page 2

3

PHOTOGRAPHY

Photographic Societies

Page 3

4

PHOTOGRAPHY

Professional
Photographers

Page 4

5

POSTCARDS

Early History

Page 5

6

POSTCARDS

Postcard Use

Page 6

7

POSTCARDS

Publishers

Page 7

8

POSTCARDS

Views of Scotland

Page 8

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Links to Other Pages

EdinPhoto - Home Page  Please send me an e-mail ...  with your questions, comments, suggestions or news.   At any time, you can search for a word  -  perhaps a photographer's name or a photographic topic.  The search will produce a list of pages on the EdinPhoto web site where this word appears.     At any time, you can search for a word  -  perhaps a photographer's name or a photographic topic.  The search will produce a list of pages on the EdinPhoto web site where this word appears.  

Photographs and Other Images  -  These include portraits of photographers  -  photographic outings -  Princes Street views  -  Newhaven Fishwives  -  etc.  Early Photography in Edinburgh  -  Talbot, Brewster, Hill & Adamson, Early Professional Photographers in Princes Street, etc.  Professional Photographers in Edinburgh  -  1840 to 1940  -  Their names, dates of business and studio addresses.  The Photographic Society of Scotland  -  1856 to 1873  -  Lectures, Exhibitions, Outings, etc.  The History of Edinburgh Photographic Society  -  1861 to date  -  Lectures, Exhibitions, Outings, Poems, etc.  EPS Publications - EPS Handwritten Records  -  Photographic Journals  -  Trade Directories  -  Books  -  etc.  Thanks to all who have encouraged and supported me in creating the EdinPhoto web site  -  including descendants of photographers  -  researchers  -  providers of photographs and other material  Background notes on the research thal led up to the creation of this site  -   together with lists of new material added to the site since its launch.  Brief comments on how this site might be used  -  Just browsing?  -  Seeking specific information?  Please add your questions, suggestions or other comments to the Guest Book.  Links to other web sites  -  Photographic Societies  -  Photographic History  -  Family History  -  etc.  Click here to find the link to the Edinburgh Photogrpahic Society web site.

 

A selection of my photographs, many from Edinburgh throughout the year.   Also photos from Scotland, London, Iceland, Italy, Hong Kong and elsewhere     Many old maps of Edinburgh (Old Town, New Town, while City), Leith and Newhaven.  Includes several old transport maps and a comparison of old maps with recent aerial photos.   Old engravings, mailly of Edinburgh scenes.  Some from the 1820s, some from the 1890s,  some others - includes many hand-coloured examples from the 1820s.   News from Edinburgh today  -  Events, Collections, Buildings and Gardens, Transport   This site includes     1. Post card portraits taken in studios in Edinburgh:    2. Post card views either takeen/published by Ediburgh photographers or views of Edinburgh, or both.y Edinburgh    Views of Edinburgh, grouped into three sections:     1. Street views:    2. Buildings:    3. Around Edinburgh   Views of transport around Edinburgh  -  Horse drawn trams and buses, cable cars, electric trams, buses and a few railway photos.  Also several maps of Edinburgh's bus and tram routes.   Links to pages with Photos of Groups   Frequently Asked Questions

  Summary of the updates added to this site each month since the site was launched   Links to Dumbiedykes pages  Link to Granton pages  Link to Leith pages   Link to Newhaven pages   Links to Portobello pages   Link to My Recent Talks