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Photograph from the Ross Family Collection

Is this a portrait of

Hercules Ross
 grandson of Horatio Ross

or perhaps Horatio St George Ross?

or perhaps Hercules Grey Ross?

Who is this?

 Hercules Ross, grandson of the early Edinburgh photographer, Horatio Ross

©  Reproduced with acknowledgement to Steve Beadle, Gillingham, Kent

 

Portrait

Is this Hercules Ross?

    , grandson of the early Scottish photographer, Horatio Ross ©

or perhaps Horatio St George Ross?

or perhaps Hercules Grey Ross?

Steve Beadle, who provided the photograph above, believes that it may be of Hercules Ross, younger brother of John Alexander Ross and a grandson of the early Scottish photographer, Horatio Ross.

Steve writes:

"I have titled one Hercules Ross because I have taken an educated guess.  The picture was taken and mounted by GW Lawrie & Co, Lucknow  Naini Jal & Mussoorie".

This photo is one of three that Steve sent to me.  The other two are of Mrs Hercules Ross, one from the studio of William Crooke in Edinburgh.

An obituary to John Alexander Ross (1873-1959) published in The London Scottish Regimental Gazette, May 1959 refers to John's brother, Hercules.  It says:

"Hercules Ross, joined the 2nd Bn London Scottish on its formation in the 2nd World War, and was commissioned in the Royal Norfolk Regiment.

He went with the 18th Division to Singapore. He was a prisoner in Thailand and worked on the 'Death Railway'.   In spite of great hardships and illness, he survived."

The obituary also refers to Edward Ross, uncle of John Alexander Ross

"Edward Ross won the first Queen's Prize at the age of 18, when he was in the University of Cambridge Volunteers.  He was a member of the London Scottish for some years."

Acknowledgement:  Steve Beadle:  Gillingham, Kent, England

 

Answer

1.

Thank you to Alison Ramos who sent the following comments on the portrait of the army officer, above.

Alison wrote:

Who is this?

    , grandson of the early Scottish photographer, Horatio Ross ©

"I am wondering if the photograph of the army officer, above,  might in fact be Horatio St. George Ross and not Ian Ross's son Herky, who did indeed survive POW camp in WW2.

The uniform looks more WW1 to me.

 I am surprised that the older brother, John, died in 1959. I cannot remember hearing about this.  After he came back from India he took me to the movies and out dancing at the Café de Paris!  It was a bit old (40ish) for me but he was a very nice man.

The trouble is with this family is that there were altogether too many Herculeses and Horatios!  There is another possibility in Horace's brother, Hercules Grey Ross.

 Help!

I would like to try and sort this out with your correspondent as I bet he has valuable info from his side."

Alison Ramos:  October 2006

Family Tree

I agree with Alison, above.  The Ross family history certainly seems to be confusing.

If Alison, or anybody else,  is able to provide part of the Horatio Ross family tree, I would be happy to add it to the web site, to help us all get a better understanding of  this  family.

Peter Stubbs  October 14, 2006

 

Answer

2.

Thank you to George T Smith, British Columbia, Canada who sent the following comments about the uniform.

George wrote:

The Uniform

    , grandson of the early Scottish photographer, Horatio Ross ©

"The photograph looks about WWI to me too - a Lieutenant Colonel in a  regiment "IP "?

 The uniform looks like the braiding of the Rifle  Brigade so I imagine some infantry regiment or perhaps 'Indian  Police', initials IP?

Agatha Christie should be alive today!"

George T Smith, Nanaimo, Vancouver Island, British Columbia, Canada:  October 15, 2006

 

Answer

3.

Thank you to John Duncan who wrote:

Police Uniform

    , grandson of the early Scottish photographer, Horatio Ross ©

"Regarding Hercules - I don't think he is wearing an army uniform; I think he was a Chief Superintendent in the Indian or maybe Imperial Police. The IP on his epaulette certainly suggests that.

The cap badge is very similar to those worn by English police officers.  (I'm a Scottish one.)"

John Duncan:  October 15, 2006

 

Answer

4.

Thank you to George T Smith, British Columbia, Canada who sent this message agreeing with John Duncan.

George wrote:

Police Uniform

    , grandson of the early Scottish photographer, Horatio Ross ©

"I, too, am  inclined to the view that Horatio Ross is wearing a  police uniform. 

The crown is certainly a Queen's crown.  The crowns alternate  between monarchs.   QEII has a 'dipped' top, so go back by monarchs and you arrive at Victoria, but I can't decipher the cipher"

George T Smith, Nanaimo Vancouver Island, British Columbia, Canada:  October 21, 2006

 

Answer

5.

Thank you to Dr Stephen Davies, Hong Kong, who also believes that the photo is probably of Hercules Ross.

Stephen wrote:

Indian Police Uniform

    , grandson of the early Scottish photographer, Horatio Ross ©

"If you look closely, you can see that the shoulder flashes are of the Indian Police.  Given that Hercules Ross served in the IP, I think the photo is probably him or, presumably (if there’s no definite Ross attribution) of a colleague."

Dr Stephen Davies, Museum Director, Hong Kong Maritime Museum:  November 23, 2007

Answer

6.

Is this Hercules Ross?

 ... or perhaps Horatio St George Ross?

... or perhaps Hercules Grey Ross?

    , grandson of the early Scottish photographer, Horatio Ross ©

Following up this question, Laurence Fisher wrote:

My Family

"I've just started searching my family tree, after rejecting the indoctrination my grandfather tried to give me back when I was 15 years old.

I'm nearly 66 now, and it's a different world today with the Internet.  What a wealth of accessible information!

I'm a descendant of Hercules Grey Ross, the youngest son of Horatio the sportsman and photographer."

Hercules Grey Ross

"Hercules Grey Ross was in the Indian Civil Service in some form.

He was a marksman and won many cups (some of which we inherited) in the North Indian Rifle Association or NIRA.

Nira was the name of his younger daughter, my Great Granny Pemberton and my cousin.

The Portrait

"You have probably figured out the identity of this man is by now, but if not, this may help."

    , grandson of the early Scottish photographer, Horatio Ross ©

Laurence Fisher:  January 7, 2014

Question to Laurence

The Portrait

Laurence:

No, I've not yet discovered who is in the portrait.  It's several years since I last gave any thought to the Ross family tree, so I'm now a bit out of touch with the subject.

Are you suggesting that the figure in this portrait is likely to be Hercules Grey Ross?

Peter Stubbs, Edinburgh:  January 7, 2013

Thank you to Laurence for replying:

Reply from Laurence

H G Ross

"Yes, Peter:    I'm suggesting that this portrait is likely to be of H G Ross.  I'll try to pin it down, and will let you know if I discover anything more."

Laurence Fisher:  January 8, 2014

 

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A selection of my photographs, many from Edinburgh throughout the year.   Also photos from Scotland, London, Iceland, Italy, Hong Kong and elsewhere    Many old maps of Edinburgh (Old Town, New Town, while City), Leith and Newhaven.  Includes several old transport maps and a comparison of old maps with recent aerial photos.   Old engravings, mailly of Edinburgh scenes.  Some from the 1820s, some from the 1890s,  some others - includes many hand-coloured examples from the 1820s.   News from Edinburgh today  -  Events, Collections, Buildings and Gardens, Transport   This site includes     1. Post card portraits taken in studios in Edinburgh:    2. Post card views either takeen/published by Ediburgh photographers or views of Edinburgh, or both.y Edinburgh    Views of Edinburgh, grouped into three sections:     1. Street views:    2. Buildings:    3. Around Edinburgh   Views of transport around Edinburgh  -  Horse drawn trams and buses, cable cars, electric trams, buses and a few railway photos.  Also several maps of Edinburgh's bus and tram routes.   Links to pages with Photos of Groups   Frequently Asked Questions

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