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Recollections |
1. |
Bob Sinclair
Queensland Australia
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- The Green Door
- The West End Café
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2. |
Al Lorentzen
Inverness, Illinois, USA
|
- Old Fleshmarket
Close
- Fleshmarket Close
- Anchor Close
- Warriston Close
- Advocate's Close
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3. |
Mike Cheyne
Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England
|
- The New Yorker
- La Boheme
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4. |
Bryan Gourlay
Biggar. Lanarkshire, Scotland
|
- The New Yorker
- Meals
|
5. |
Jim Cairns
Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland
|
- The Green Door
- The Hungry i
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6. |
Terry McGuire
Coventry, Warwickshire, England
|
- West End Café
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7. |
David Bain
Rotherham, South Yorkshire, England
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-
North St Andrew Street
|
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7.
Reply 1 |
Harry (Brandy) Simpson
Corstorphine, Edinburgh
|
-
North St Andrew Street
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8. |
Bob Sinclair
Queensland Australia
|
-
Lothian Road
|
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8.
Reply 1 |
Sandy Cameron
Edinburgh
|
-
Lothian Road
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9. |
Jim Cairns
Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland
|
- Pied Piper
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10. |
Bruce Johnstone
Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland
|
- Pied Piper
- Others near the
West End
- Drinks
|
11. |
Gus Coutts
Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland
|
-
The Hungry 'I'
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12. |
Jim Cairns
Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland
|
- Pied Piper
-
The Hungry i
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13. |
Frank Ferri
Newhaven, Edinburgh
|
- Milk Bar Era
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14. |
Gus Coutts
Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland
|
-
The Hungry 'I'
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15. |
Dorothy Addison
Tsawwassen, British Columbia, Canada.
|
-
West End
café
|
16. |
Dorothy Addison
Tsawwassen, British Columbia, Canada.
|
- Milk Bar
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17. |
Jim Woolard
|
-
The Hungry i
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18. |
Joyce Lamont Messer
Whanganui, North Island, New Zealand
|
- The Conspirators'
café
-
The
Café
- Meals
- Customers
|
19. |
Frank Ferri
Newhaven, Edinburgh
|
- Austin’s Café / Restaurant
- Leith Street
- Waitresses
- Cakes
- Pictures
|
20. |
Nick Swindale
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
|
- The Conspirators
café
- Owners + Café Name
- Meals
|
21. |
Joyce Lamont Messer
Whanganui, North Island, New Zealand
|
- The Conspirators
café
- The Name
- Midnight Closing
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22. |
Gus Coutts
Duddingston, Edinburgh
|
- The Continental
café
|
23. |
Nick Swindale
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
|
- The Conspirators
café
|
24. |
Joyce Lamont Messer
Whanganui, North Island, New Zealand
|
- The Conspirators
café
- Photos
- Back Yard
- Mouse
|
25. |
Norman R Pope
Sidney, British Columbia, Canada
|
- The Continental
café
|
26. |
Marie Johnson
Jamestown, Foothills of California, USA
|
- The Manhattan
café
|
27. |
David Sanderson
Lake Forest, California, USA
|
- Mackie's Restaurant
|
28. |
Keith Miller
Oban, Argyle & Bute, Scotland
|
- Pied Piper Café
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29. |
Rob Fender
England
|
- The Manhattan
Coffee Bar
|
30. |
Rosemary Shariff (nee
Craig)
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
|
- The Sandwich Bar
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31. |
John Mills
Southside, Edinburgh
|
- La Fiesta
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32. |
Allan Dodds
Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
|
- La Fiesta - Photo
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33. |
Dorothy Finlay (nee Cossar)
Brisbane,
Queensland, Australia
|
- Deep Sea Restaurant
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34. |
June Wood (nee
Robertson)
Central Coast, California, USA
|
- Deep Sea Restaurant
- Ball's Fish &
Chips
|
35. |
Meg Reilly
|
- Deep Sea Restaurant
- Near the Royal
Infirmary
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35.
Reply 1 |
Stuart Lyon
|
- Barbecue Restaurant
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35.
Reply 2 |
Ray Melville |
- Doctor's Public House
- Sandy Bell's Bar
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35.
Reply 3 |
Allan Dodds
Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, Scotland
|
- Sandy Bell's Bar
- Gordon Brown
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36. |
Dorothy Finlay (nee Cossar)
Brisbane,
Queensland, Australia
|
- The Union Grill
|
37. |
Catherine Jamieson
San Diego, California, USA
|
- West End Café
- Manhatten Café
- No longer there
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38. |
Ray Melville
Rosyth, Fife, Scotland
|
- The Stockpot
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39. |
Avril Finlayson Smith
Strathdale, Bendigo, Victoria, Australia
|
- Café Honeydew
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40. |
Sandy Cameron
Edinburgh
|
- More Cafés
- The Elizabethan
- The Carolina
|
41. |
Rosari Laughlin
(nee
Jeanette Rosari Durrell Nisbet)
Lake Charles, Louisiana, USA |
- More to USA
- Edinburgh Cafés
- Brattisani's
- Francis Café
|
42. |
Paul Sutherland
Glasgow, Scotland |
- The Grail
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43. |
Sandy Sievwright
Penicuik, Midlothian |
- Rellio's, Haymarket
- After 'The Cavendish'
- Meals
- The Walk Home
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44. |
Sandy Sievwright
Penicuik, Midlothian |
- Thistle Street
- Business Lunch
- The Thistle
- The Tatler
- Homely Food
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45. |
Peter Stubbs
Edinburgh |
- Standard Life
- Woolworths
|
46. |
Avril Finlayson
Smith
(nee Young)
Bendigo, Victoria, Australia
|
- St Andrew Square
- Gow's Restaurant, Rose Street
|
47. |
Nan Scott
Pakenham,
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
|
- Lunch Vouchers
|
48. |
Ian Stewart
Barcelona, Spain
|
- The Grail
|
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49. |
Allan Dodds
Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
|
- La Fiesta - Exterior Photo
|
|
50. |
Gordon Rule
Edinburgh
|
-
Pied Piper Café
|
|
51. |
Gail Pike
South Carolina, USA
|
-
Pied Piper Café |
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52. |
Bob Leslie
Glasgow, Scotland
|
- Deep Sea Restaurant |
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53. |
Eileen Shay (nee Byrne)
Florida, USA
|
- West End
Café
- Manhattan Café |
|
54. |
Allan Dodds
Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
|
- La Fiesta - Exterior Photo
|
|
55. |
Ronnie Aitchison
|
- Manhattan Café
- Coffee Joe's |
56. |
David Bain
Rotherham, South Yorkshire, England
|
- The Bistro,
Bruntsfield
|
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Recollections
1.
Bob Sinclair
Queensland, Australia: December,
2009 |
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Thank you to Bob Sinclair who wrote:
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The Green Door
"I
remember the Green Door.
I'm not sure if it was actually called
that. It was down some steps from Johnston Terrace. It
was popular for a while and followed the success of the song Green
Door - I wonder what's going on behind the Green Door."
The West End Café
"I remember the West End Café in Shandwick Place, almost directly
opposite the
Milk Bar.
A friend who worked in American Express, a few doors along from
Binns, took me there.
I saw
Johnny
Dankworth and Cleo Laine (now Sir John and Dame Cleo) there.
They were there quite frequently. Great talent!"
Bob Sinclair, Queensland, Australia:
December 7, 2009
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Recollections
2.
Al Lorentzen
Inverness, Illinois, USA |
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The Manhattan
Around 1960
©
Thank you to Al
Lorentzen for allowing me to reproduce this photograph of The
Manhattan, taken around 1960. The Manhattan was near the
West End of Princes Street. The car on the left in this
photo is a Morris Minor.
Al wrote:
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"The Manhattan was a great place for a
snack in the late 1950s. I don't know if it is still there."
Al
Lorentzen, Inverness, Illinois, USA: August 26, 2010 |
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Location
The Monseigneur
Theatre, with The Manhattan below it, was at 131 Princes Street.
The shop next door on
the right, at No 130, with the Royal Coat of Arms (by Appointment
to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth) is Jamieson & Sons,
fruiterers. |
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Today
Now (in 2010), Gap clothing store is at 131 Princes Street, and
HMV CD and Record store is next door at 130 Princes Street. |
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Recollections
3.
Mike Cheyne
Newcastle-upon-Tyne,
Northumberland, England |
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Mike Cheyne replied to
Al Lorentzen's comments in 2 above:
Mike wrote: |
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"Reading Al Lorentzen's reminiscences
of The Manhattan remind me of other haunts of my mis-spent youth
in the late- 1950s and early-1960s
The New Yorker
- In Shandwick Place there was
The New Yorker, a kind of American diner, and The Stafford Café .
La Boheme
- Down in Stockbridge,
there was the La Boheme. As suggested by the name, it was
full of groovy people like me!"
Mike
Cheyne, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England:
Message posted in EdinPhoto guestbook, September 4, 2010 |
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Recollections
4.
Bryan Gourlay
Biggar, Lanarkshire, Scotland |
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Thank you to Bryan
Gourlay who wrote: |
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The New Yorker
"I can remember making a good number
of visits to the New Yorker restaurant in Shandwick Place,
mentioned by Matthew Cheyne (3 above).
It was a US diner type of place, opened with a great fanfare in
1961 or 1962.
The waitresses took your order, then
plugged a microphone into the end of the table and conveyed your
order to the kitchen by some sort of audio link, way too high tech
for Edinburgh at the time. After a period of time they dispensed
with the audio link and reverted to writing on order slips."
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Meals
"My favourites were Haddock and Chips
(2/6d) or Lemon Sole and Chips for 3/6d." |
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Bryan Gourlay,
Biggar, Lanarkshire, Scotland: September 7, 2010 |
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Recollections
5.
Jim Cairns
Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland |
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Thank you to Jim
Cairns who wrote: |
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The Green Door
"My memory was jogged by Bob
Sinclair’s mention of the Green Door. I’m reasonably sure that it
was run by the church, St Columba’s by the Castle; aiming to
attract young folk and give them somewhere to go, I suppose."
The Hungry i
"Does anyone remember 'The Hungry i'
in Queensferry Street? It had a diner upstairs, and
downstairs was a less formal coffee bar. It had a great
atmosphere, and a terrific juke box with an unusually wide
selection of records.
To keep trouble in check, they
employed a bouncer from London who had a big black moustache which
made him look Spanish. He was referred to as ‘Don Carlos’, but
that wasn’t his name.
He carried a little wooden coffin with
his calling card - no doubt copied from the TV series ‘Have Gun,
Will Travel'. He never had to raise his voice to keep order.
Unfortunately, he liked a drink, and it was said that he was in a
nearby pub, instead of being in the coffee bar, when somebody
modified the juke box with a well-aimed kick. End of Don
Carlos!"
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Meals
"My favourites were Haddock and Chips
(2/6d) or Lemon Sole and Chips for 3/6d." |
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Jim Cairns,
Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland |
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Recollections
6.
Terry McGuire
Coventry, Warwickshire, England |
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Thank you to Terry
McGuire who wrote: |
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West End Café
"I was taken to the West End Café by a
nurse from Leith hospital, after having had an ear operation.
Edmundo Ross was playing his hit of the time:
'Bongo, Bongo, Bongo,
I don't want to leave the Congo,'
I thought the nurse fancied me, but
she was just using me as an excuse to take another patient, a
Royal Marine. I was just a teenage cover for her ploy !!"
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Terry McGuire,
Coventry, Warwickshire, England |
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Recollections
7.
David Bain
Rotherham, South Yorkshire,
England |
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Thank you to David
Bain who wrote: |
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North St Andrew Street
"Does anyone else remember the
Café
downstairs on the east corner of North St. Andrew Street and Queen
Street? I can still smell the atmosphere of cigarettes and
burger grease.
It was run by a bloke called Bill who
was very pleasant but big enough not to be messed with."
Arrow Motorcycle
"I remember throwing my Ariel Arrow
motorbike up St Andrew Street showing off in the rain; it
was more slippery than I thought!
©
The occupant of the top flat, over the
Café , was forever calling the police because of the noise
the various bikes made."
Cigarette Lighter
"This was in about 1967, and gas
lighters had recently appeared. I remember a friend turning up the
flame on a fellow rocker's lighter so when he went to light his
cigarette it set his overhanging hair on fire. My, how we
laughed!"
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David Bain,
Rotherham, South Yorkshire, Edinburgh: September 15, 2010 |
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Recollections
7.
Reply
1.
Harry (Brandy) Simpson
Corstorphine, Edinburgh |
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Thank you to Brandy
Simpson who wrote: |
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North St Andrew Street
"The Café that David Bain was asking
about in Recollections 7 above was 'The Hideaway'."
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Harry (Brandy)
Simpson, Corstorphine, Edinburgh: July 5, 2012 |
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Recollections
8.
Bob Sinclair
Queensland, Australia |
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Thank you to
Bob Sinclair who wrote: |
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Lothian Road
"I remember a Café in Lothian Road where you
could sit on stools looking out to the Usher Hall and Lothian Road.
The food there was snack type. It was not all that great,
but it filled a space.
Nearby, there was
the Railway Canteen, at the back of the Caledonian Hotel.
It was a great place for good food at a low price."
Bob Sinclair, Queensland, Australia:
October 27, 2010
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Recollections
8.
Reply
1.
Sandy Cameron
Edinburgh |
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Thank you to Sandy Cameron who wrote |
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Lothian Road
"In answer to
Bob Sinclair's question about the Café in
Lothian Road (in Recollections 8 above) I'm sure that the snack bar in
the centre of this photo would have been the Café that he remembers:
©
It was directly opposite the
Usher Hall in Lothian Road. They did a
delicious hamburger and fried onion roll.
Sandy Cameron, Edinburgh: July
6, 2012
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Date of the Photo
©
Please click on the thumbnail image above to enlarge it.
Sandy tells me that he has had this photo for quite a
while. He cannot remember where this photo came from, and he does
not know who the photographer might have been.
I think the photo may have been taken some time
around the 1980s. The registration number on the approaching taxi
has a suffix 'B'' so the taxi would have been first registered in 1984.
Peter Stubbs, Edinburgh: July
8, 2012
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Update
I have now received several more recollections about this Café , so I
have given it a separate page on the web site. Please click on the tumbnail image below then scroll down to read the page.
©
Peter Stubbs, Edinburgh: July
8, 2012
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Recollections
9.
Jim Cairns
Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland |
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Thank you to Bryan
Gourlay for sending me this photograph of the Pied Piper Coffee
Bar in South Charlotte Street in the early-1960s. |
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The Pied Piper
©
"The 'Pied Piper' in South
Charlotte Street was a favourite Coffee Bar in Edinburgh. It
was quite large, but always very busy.
The National Provincial
Building Society later took over the premises. Now it is
occupied by the Dunfermline Building Society."
Jim Cairns, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland:
November 28, 2010 |
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Recollections
10.
Bruce Johnstone
Haddington, East Lothian,
Scotland |
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Thank you to Bryan
Gourlay for sending me this photograph of the Pied Piper Coffee
Bar in South Charlotte Street in the early-1960s. |
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The Pied Piper
"Jim Cairns' comments,
above, reminded me of the 'Pied Piper'. I frequented it,
mainly on a Sunday evening in 1962/63 when it was very busy. The
basement was the busier area."
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Other Clubs near the West End
"There was also the 'New
Yorker' in Shandwick Place and another Café in Shandwick Place,
beyond Melville Street. What was that called?
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Drinks
"Coke floats and coffees
were the order of the day - a simple life!"
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Bruce Johnston, Haddington, East
Lothian, Scotland: November 28, 2010 |
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Recollections
11.
Gus Coutts
Duddingston, Edinburgh |
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Thank you to Gus
Coutts who replied to Bruce Johnstone's question in 10 above.
Gus wrote: |
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The Hungry I
"I think the café
in Queensferry
Street was The Hungry I.
I believe it was named after a café
in the US; San Francisco rings a bell in my memory."
Gus Coutts, Duddingston, Edinburgh:
November 29, 2010 |
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Recollections
12.
Jim Cairns
Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland |
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Thank you to Jim
Cairns who replied: |
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The Pied Piper
"It's nice to hear that other people
remember 'The Pied Piper' fondly."
|
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The Hungry i
"Bruce
Johnston asked about the coffee bar beyond Melville Street. It
was 'The Hungry i'.
I wrote about it a few
weeks ago. (See 'Recollections 5'
above.)"
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Jim Cairns,
Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland |
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Recollections
13.
Frank Ferri
Newhaven, Edinburgh |
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Frank Ferri wrote: |
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Milk Bar Era
"Does anyone remember
the Milk Bar era?
There was one in South St David Street
and another in Shandwick Place on the left.'
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Frank Ferri,
Newhaven: November 29, 2010 |
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Recollections
14.
Gus Coutts
Duddingston, Edinburgh |
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Thank you to Gus Coutts who added: |
|
The Hungry I
"On googling 'The Hungry I', I see that it was a nightclub in San
Francisco back in the 1950s/1960s, but the name is now used by a
strip club."
Gus Coutts, Duddingston, Edinburgh:
November 29, 2010 |
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Recollections
15.
Dorothy
Addison (nee
Jenkins)
Tsawwassen, British Columbia, Canada.
|
|
Winton replied to Bruce Johnston's question in 'Recollections
10' above. |
|
The West End Café
"I
believe that the 'other Café ' in Shandwick Place that Bruce Johnston
mentions was called 'The West End Café '.
Every Sunday evening, it
was packed with young people as they played wonderful music there.
That's the only other Café
that I remember being there. (If I'm wrong, I'm sorry.)
Dorothy Addison, Tsawwassen, British
Columbia, Canada: December 7, 2010 |
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Recollections
16.
Dorothy
Addison (nee
Jenkins)
Tsawwassen, British Columbia, Canada.
|
|
Dorothy Addison responded to Frank Ferri's message in
'Recollections 13' above: |
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Milk Bar
"The Milk Bar in Shandwick Place that Frank refers to was a
wonderful place. If I remember correctly, we had to go up some
steps to it.
I loved all those lovely
fresh filled rolls they sold. There was a queue at lunch time
every day.
It was 1954, and I worked
in the dog salon at Gibbs in Shandwick Place at that time, washing
and doing all these things to make the dogs look beautiful.
This was done upstairs in the store."
Dorothy Addison, Tsawwassen, British
Columbia, Canada: December 7, 2010 |
|
The Milk Bar that Dorothy remembers can be seen on the left of
this photo, taken in 1961. Please click on the
thumbnail image below to enlarge it:
© |
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Recollections
17.
Jim
Woolard
Werribee, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia |
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Jim Woolard wrote: |
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The Hungry i
"The
best bacon rolls in town
were to be had at .The Hungry i'.
It was also very handy for the bus stop to get me back to Granton."
Jim Woolard, Werribee, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia |
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Recollections
18.
Joyce Lamont Messer
Whanganui,
North Island, New Zealand |
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Joyce Lamont Messer wrote: |
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The Conspirators'
Café
The
Café
"I wonder if anyone
remembers the Conspirators, Café . It was just along from the
King's Theatre, towards Bruntsfield. I worked there, evenings
and weekends, in early/mid-1950s after my day job in a law office.
I
thought I was 'very cool' in today's parlance. It must have
been one of the first in the then 'new Café culture' scene. It
was much more laid-back than the more formal restaurants in the
city.
It was around then that
some students made off with the Destiny Stone from Westminster
Abbey. I think that was why the Café was so named."
Meals
"We served mostly coffee
and omelettes, both of variable quality since no-one seemed to know
much about cooking. I certainly did not, though I became
reasonably good at omelettes."
Customers
"I think the owner was
related to the broadcaster, Franklin Englemann, of Housewives Choice
fame.
The Café was always very
busy and popular with students, especially after Edinburgh
Festival productions at the King's Theatre when the place used to be
packed out.
I've served up my omelettes
to several famous conductors, singers and actors, mostly now dead -
but not because of my cooking."
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Joyce Lamont Messer, Whanganui, North Island, New Zealand:
April 15, 2011 |
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Recollections
19.
Frank Ferri
Newhaven, Edinburgh |
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Frank Ferri wrote: |
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Austin’s Café / Restaurant
Leith Street
"I remember
Austin’s Café. It was located on the left hand side of Leith
St going up towards
Princes St, set back off the pavement, just before Halfords and
Jackson’s the Tailors."
Waitresses
"The waitress staff wore
uniforms of black dress, white collar, white bib pinafore and a
little tiara. The furnishings and layout were just like an
Agatha Christie film set, so 1920s. Each table had a triple
lair cake stand with fancy cakes on display."
Cakes
"I remember being taken
there as a kid by my mother, eager to
get my hands on the cakes, but
being warned they cost a tanner each so keep your hands to
yourself."
Pictures?
"I think it was still there
in the early-1960s. I wonder if anyone has got any data or
pictures of it."
Frank Ferri, Newhaven, Edinburgh: May 18, 2011 |
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Recollections
20.
Nick Swindale
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
|
|
Nicholas replied to
'Recollections 18' above |
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The Conspirators'
Café
Owners and Café
Name
"The Conspirator's
Café was
owned jointly by my father, Owen Swindale, and his brother-in-law,
Ian Engelmann (whose
uncle was the broadcaster Franklin Engelmann).
The name of the Café
had nothing to do with the Stone of Scone, but was inspired by an
18th century poem with that title."
Meals
"In addition to making
omelettes, my mother, Tessa, made a chocolate gateau which she said
was always very popular.
Another attraction
was that the Café was open until midnight - unheard of in Edinburgh
at that time. I still remember the smell of the Expresso coffee from
when I was about four or five years old." |
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Nick Swindale, Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada: August 5, 2011 |
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Recollections
21.
Joyce Lamont Messer
Whanganui,
North Island, New Zealand |
|
After reading 'Recollections 20' above, Joyce emailed me again
to follow up her comments in 'Recollections 18' above. She
wrote: |
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The Conspirators'
Café
The Name
"I am obviously wrong about
how the Café got its name.
Several Edinburgh students
were involved in planning the removal of the Destiny Stone from
Westminster Abbey. One of them was a vet student at the Dick.
I thought he went to jail
because there was much discussion about him continuing to study
while inside - but Mr Wikipedia says that charges were not laid,
which does ot tie up with my memory of events.
I knew some of the students
and they certainly came into the Café , which is where I guess I got
the idea about the name. The stone business must have
pre-dated the opening of the Café ."
Midnight Closing
"Owen's son, Nicholas,
is right about the Café closing at midnight. Reeking of
cigarette smoke and fried food, I used to walk back to Morningside
across Bruntsfield Links, for a few hours' sleep before heading off
early the next morning for another day as Shepherd & Wedderburn,
confounding the legal fraternity with my creative shorthand
and typing."
Joyce Lamont Messer, Whanganui, North Island, New Zealand:
April 15, 2011 |
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Recollections
22.
Gus Coutts
Duddingston, Edinburgh |
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Gus Coutts who wrote: |
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The Continental Café
?
"In the early 1960s
myself and friends used to occasionally go. in the early hours. to a
Café /restaurant which was open all or nearly all night. If I
recall correctly, it was about the only place open after midnight in
the city.
I remember eating Wiener
Schnitzel there.
We knew it as The
Continental Café , but I don't know if that was its correct name.
It was upstairs in a
building near the top of Morrison Street, on the Princes St. side of
the street, about opposite Semple Street, or perhaps a bit further
down."
Question
"Does anybody out there
remember this place and have more information about it?"
Gus Coutts, Duddingston, Edinburgh:
August 7, 2011 |
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Recollections
23.
Nick Swindale
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
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The Conspirators'
Café
Thank you to Nick
Swindale for writing again, enclosing these two photos of The
Conspirators Café .
Please click on the thumbnail images below to enlarge them:
©
©
Acknowledgement: Nick Swindale, Vancouver,
British Columbia, Canada: August 10, 2011 |
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Recollections
24.
Joyce Lamont Messer
Whanganui,
North Island, New Zealand |
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Joyce Lamont Messer
replied |
|
The Conspirators'
Café
Photos
"Thanks
for adding the photos. The
café looks so 1950s - restrained
and neat! Seeing the photos certainly brought back memories."
Back Yard
"There was a small
back yard, enclosed in an ancient brick wall. These days, it
would be tarted up and turned into an 'alfresco dining' area.
Then, it was just a place to store things."
Mouse
"I
can remember a mouse running through the
café, much to the horror of the diners, some
of whom got on their chairs.
Someone in the kitchen managed to hit it
with something, slightly stunning it as it staggered into the yard
where I finished it off with a brick while trying not to look at the
result."
Joyce Lamont Messer, Whanganui,
North Island, New Zealand: August 13, 2011 |
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Recollections
25.
Norman R Pope
Sidney, British Columbia, Canada |
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Norman wrote: |
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The Continental Café?
"Yes, we remember the
Continental. I cannot remember its exact address, but the
description above of where it is, sounds right.
That
was where my girl friend and I (now my wife of 47 years) learned to
eat 'real' spaghetti. I mean spaghetti that did not come out
of a can.
Her favourite meal was the
pineapple omelette and I had to have chips with my spaghetti.
Our favourite waitress was called Margaret. She always looked
after us very well."
Norman R Pope, Sidney, British Columbia,
Canada |
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Recollections
26
Mary (Mari) Johnson
Jamestown,
Foothills of California, USA |
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Thank you to Marie Johnson, who wrote: |
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The Manhattan Cafe
"The Manhattan Cafe on
Princes Street was a great place for coffee or lunch. It was
owned and operated by Mr and Mrs Valente."
Marie Johnson, Jamestown, Foothills of California, USA:
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Recollections
27
David Sanderson
Lake Forest
California, USA |
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Thank you to David Sanderson, who wrote: |
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Mackie's Restaurant
"I grew up in the little
town of Tranent in East Lothian. Every other Saturday we
all came into Edinburgh for an afternoon of shopping in Princes
Street. Usually, it was my mum, granny and myself. My
dad usually went off to Tynecastle.
Part of the routine was
always afternoon tea in Mackies. We usually went upstairs to
the proper restaurant with tablecloths and uniformed waitresses
where we would have tea and toast, although I always had some juice,
usually Hendrys red cola!
Occasionally we went
downstairs to the self-serve café where I would take childish
pleasure in sliding the tray along the rails to the cashier at the
end.
I think Mackie's closed in
the early-1970s. I remember being a bit surprised by this as
it always seemed busy."
David Sanderson, Lake Forest,
California, USA: September 1, 2011 |
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Update
Thank you to Nigel Baxter for reading David Sanderson's
recollections of Mackie's restaurant in Princes Street,
above, and for sending me a copy of his photo titled:
Drinks in Mackie's
©
Edinburgh Castle, on Castle Rock, across Princes Street Gardens
can be seen looking through the restaurant window in this photo.
Please click on the thumbnail image above to enlarge it.
Nigel Baxter, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada:
October 8, 2012 |
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Recollections
28
Keith Miller
Oban, Argyle
& Bute, Scotland |
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Thank you to Keith Miller, who wrote: |
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The Pied Piper Café
"On
reading the contributions from
Gordon Rule (Hi Gordon, long time...) and others on the Pied
Piper Café in Charlotte Street, I was transported back to the heady
days of Edinburgh in the mid 1960s."
|
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Fashions
Mid-1960s
"I spent time - maybe
too much time - in the Pied Piper, downstairs in the great melting
pot of mods, faces and fashionistas from Edinburgh's vibrant club
scene of the early/mid-1960s. I think the Pied P was at it's
trendsetters peak around 1966.
I have fond
memories, as the explosive mod fashions from Carnaby Street hit the
provinces and began to eclipse the established 'scene':
- High collared polka
dot or paisley shirts, tab collars, bell bottomed jeans, when all
around were drainpipes, high-heeled zip sided boots, crew necked
striped t-shirts, shiny black plastic oilskin coats ... and that was
the guys.
-
Girls
in the Mary Quant mode.
I think most of the
'Pied P' clientele in the mid-1960s were probably in their mid-teens
and effectively excluded from the pub scene, which gave the place
such energy and atmosphere."
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Later-1960s
"And the music!
- Small Faces, Chris Farlow, etc. It was great while it
lasted, but I think it was a short interlude - maybe 18
months or so - before fashions rolled towards the hippy
era and the summers of love of the later-1960s."
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Later-1960s
"Happy times!
Does anyone have any photos of the fashions or of the Edinburgh's
'street scene' from that time?"
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Keith Miller, Oban, Argyle & Bute,
Scotland: September 4, 2011 |
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Recollections
29.
Rob Fender
England |
|
Robert Fender, now living in England, wrote:
|
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The Manhattan Coffee Bar
"The Manhattan Coffee Bar was
owned by a friend of my aunt who used to work there. I used to visit
fairly regularly
in the 1950s.
It was one of the few places
that was open on a Sunday.
I seem to recollect that
down one side of the interior, there was a large mirror showing the
Manhattan skyline." |
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Robert Fender, England, September
5, 2011 (2 emails)
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Recollections
30.
Rosemary
Shariff (nee
Craig)
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada |
|
Thank you to Rosemary Shariff for responding to one
of Bob Sinclair's recollections in 8 above.
Rosemary wrote |
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The Sandwich Bar
"The very small Café
opposite the Usher Hall was called The Sandwich Bar.
I believe that the Café actually
belonged to the railway, but was leased for many years by the Armstrong
family."
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Rosemary Shariff (nee Craig), Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, September 20, 2011
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Recollections
31.
John Mills
Southside, Edinburgh |
|
Thank you to John Mills, Southside,
Edinburgh, who wrote:
|
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La Fiesta Café
"Does
anyone remember the Café , La Fiesta, which was part of the Rutland Hotel?"
It was popular with American
soldiers from the Kirknewton Base who frequented it after the Berkley Bar
emptied at 10 PM. It also had a very good jukebox.
Happy days!"
John Mills, Southside, Edinburgh:
December 19, 2011
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Recollections
32.
Allan Dodds
Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England |
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Thank you to Allan Dodds who replied
sending me this photo of La Fiesta Café that he took in the 1960s.
Allan wrote
|
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La Fiesta Café
©
"Here
is a photo that I took of 'La Fiesta' Café in the 1960s.
Sorry about the quality of this photo but
that's what you get when you push Royal-X Pan to 3200 ASA!"
Allan Dodds, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire,
England: January 19, 2012 |
|
Please click on the thumbnail image above
to enlarge it, and read the large sign hanging in front of the middle
window that reads:
'La Fiesta' |
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Recollections
33.
Dorothy
Finlay (nee
Cossar)
Brisbane, Queensland, Australia |
|
Thank you to Dorothy Finlay, Brisbane,
Queensland, Australia for posting a message in the EdinPhoto guestbook.
Dorothy wrote: |
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Deep Sea Restaurant
"Does
anyone
remember the Deep Sea Café . I think it was in Leith Walk. You
could, if funds allowed, eat in or take away. It was the best fish
and chips."
Dorothy Finlay (nee Cossar), Brisbane,
Queensland, Australia:
Message posted in EdinPhoto Guestbook, June 8, 2012 |
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Yes, Dorothy. Others have remembered
the Deep Sea Restaurant in Leith Walk. I added their comments
earlier to the
Leith Walk
Recollections page on the EdinPhoto guest book some time ago.
I see that you have already received a
couple of replies to the message that you posted in the EdinPhoto
guestbook earlier today. I've added these two replies below.
Peter Stubbs, Edinburgh: June 8, 2012 |
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Recollections
34.
June
Wood (nee
Robertson)
Brisbane, Queensland, Australia |
|
Thank you to Jean Wood
(nee Robertson) for also posting a
reply to Dorothy Finlay's comments (33 above) in the EdinPhoto guestbook.
Jean wrote: |
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Deep Sea Restaurant
"Yes Dorothy. I can taste the
great fish and chips from the Deep Sea. Now, its just a wee take out
place"
Balls' Fish & Chips
"Balls, on Montrose Terrace, were also
great. On a cold winter nite, carrying the hot take-out sure kept us
warm."
June Wood (nee Robertson): Brisbane,
Queensland, Australia: June 8, 2012 |
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Recollections
35.
Meg Reilly
London,
England
|
|
Thank you to Meg Reilly
for also posting a
reply to Dorothy Finlay's comments (33 above) in the EdinPhoto guestbook.
Meg wrote: |
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Deep Sea Restaurant
"I
also remember the Deep Sea"
Near the Royal Infirmary
"I remember a Café , but forget the street.
It was just up from the Royal Infirmary. We used to go there and
share a plate of chips; fond memories."
Meg Reilly, London, England:
:Reply to Message
from Dorothy Finlay posted in EdinPhoto Guestbook, June 8, 2012 |
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Recollections
35.
Reply
1.
Stuart Lyon
Blackford,
Edinburgh |
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Thank you to Stuart Lyon who wrote:
|
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The Barbecue
"I
wonder if Meg Reilly is thinking about The Barbecue Grill &
Restaurant in Forrest Road. Here is a photo of the restaurant,
published on 11 June 1954
©
Stuart Lyon, Blackford, Edinburgh:
July 6, 2012 |
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This photo may was published by Scotsman
Publications on June 11, 1954, probably in the Edinburgh Evening News.
Please click on the thumbnail image above
to enlarge it. |
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Recollections
35.
Reply
2.
Ray Melville
Rosyth,
Fife, Scotland |
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When I added this photo of The Barbecue
Grille and Restaurant to the web site,
Photo 1
Barbecue Grill & Restaurant
©
I described it as being at Lauriston Place.
However its location was actually as described by Ray Melville below and
its address was 32 Forrest Road.
However, Ray Melville wrote:
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The Barbecue
"The Barbeque Grill and Restaurant was
on the corner of Forrest Road and Teviot Place. It is now a
pub called 'Doctors'.
I remember that it was too pricey for we
poor students in the early-1970s!"
Sandy Bell's Bar
"We spent our cash in Sandy Bell's, over the
road. Although now called Sandy Bells, it was then the Forrest Hill
Bar, I think, or maybe the Forrest Road Bar.
Ray Melville, Rosyth, Fife, Scotland:
July 13, 2012 |
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After reading Ray Melville's comments
above, I added this photo of Doctors, which I took in September 2007 to
the web site.
Photo 2
Doctor's Public House
©
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Recollections
35.
Reply
3.
Allan Dodds
Nottingham,
Nottinghamshire, England |
|
Thank
you to Allan Dodds who read Ray Melville's message (Reply
3 above) and replied: |
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Sandy Bell's Bar
"Ray Melville mentions the former name of
Sandy Bell's. When I was an undergraduate, that was the colloquial
name for 'The Foresthill Bar'."
Gordon Brown
"Gordon Brown, a fellow undergraduate, used to
frequent the pub with his entourage, most of them, as I recall, young
girls sporting T-shirts bearing the words: 'A Gordon for me'.
Gordon used to order a round for his cronies,
and would pay for it with a student's grant cheque made out to him by the
Scottish Education Department. In those days cheques were legal tender,
and Gordon would get back change in cash from the till.
We always felt that Gordon knew something
about money that we didn't, and we weren't wrong when he eventually became
Chancellor of the Exchequer!"
Alan Dodds, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire,
England: July 17, 2012 |
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Recollections
35.
Reply
4.
Meg Reilly
London,
England
|
|
Meg
Reilly, who wrote Recollections 35
above replied: |
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The Café
"Thanks for adding this photo of the
restaurant.
Barbecue Grill & Restaurant
©
But, this picture is not of the place that
I was thinking of. In fact, the place that I remember was actually
more of a Café than a restaurant.
There is a tobacconist shop on the image
above. It can be seen if you click on the image to enlarge it.
I think the Café was there, or thereabouts, and i think it may have been
run by Italians."
Meg Reilly, London, England: July 14,
2012 |
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Recollections
36.
Dorothy
Finlay (nee
Cossar)
Brisbane, Queensland, Australia |
|
Thank you to Dorothy Finlay, Brisbane,
Queensland, Australia for posting another message in the EdinPhoto guestbook.
Dorothy wrote: |
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The Union Grill
"I think that not far from The Deep Sea
Café was The Union Grill. It served a wonderful mixed grill, but
from memory it was pretty expensive, and you had to save up for it,
Crawfords Restaurants
"There was
also there was a Crawfords chain of restaurants. Are they still around?"
**
Dorothy Finlay (nee Cossar), Brisbane,
Queensland, Australia: June 19, 2012 |
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Crawfords
**
Yes, Crawford's Bakeries and Crawford's
Restaurants were popular in Edinburgh, but there are none to be found now.
I cannot remember what happened to the company.
Peter Stubbs, Edinburgh: July 21, 2012 |
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Recollections
37.
Catherine Jamieson
San Diego,
California, USA |
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Catherine Jamieson, San Diego, California, USA wrote: |
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West End Café
"I remember the West End Café , near Binns.
My friend and I would go there every Sunday night. There was music
and all the teenagers went there."
Manhattan Café
"I also remember the Manhatten Café .
They had wonderful American milk shakes"
No longer there
"Both of these Café s no longer there.
Catherine Jamieson, San Diego, California, USA |
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Recollections
38.
Ray Melville
Rosyth, Fife,
Scotland |
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Ray Melville wrote: |
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The Stockpot
"There used to be a basement Café on the
west side of Frederick Street between George Street and Queens Street
called the Stockpot.
I first was introduced to folk music there and
there were often impromptu sessions there in 1964/65.
I can't remember if the coffee was any good
though!"
Ray Melville, Rosyth, Fife, Scotland: July 6, 2012 |
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Recollections
39.
Avril Finlayson Smith
(nee Young)
Bendigo, Victoria,
Australia |
|
Thank
you to Avril Finlayson Smith (nee Young) for leaving this message in
the EdinPhoto guestbook. |
|
Avril wrote:
Café Honeydew
"Does anyone remember the
Café
Honeydew in West Maitland Street, on the right-hand side before you
reached Haymarket?
It was our special Café , which we'd go to,
when we were courting, for a special treat on Christmas Day. We'd
have a lovely Mixed Grill and then usually go to the Gaumont Cinema after
the meal.
Happy Days!"
Avril Finlayson Smith (nee Young),
Bendigo, Victoria, Australia
Message posted in EdinPhoto guestbook, July 16, 2010
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Recollections
40.
Sandy Cameron
Edinburgh |
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After
sending me the photo of
Lothian Road Café , which has provoked some interest with several
replies to the EdinPhoto web site over the past week, Sandy Cameron
writes: |
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More Café s
"Our recent correspondence about Café s
has brought to mind another two that I used to frequent with my pal, John
O'Rourke, in our teenage years in the 1960s. They are:
The Elizabethan
"The Elizabethan was in Brougham Street.
We would go there for a coffee after a round of Pitch and Putt on
Bruntsfield Links. I remember having a crush on one of the
waitresses!"
The Carolina
"The Carolina was in Bread Street, opposite St
Cuthbert's store. The proprietor had quite a prominent nose, this was a
source of amusement to John and me.
The Café , if i remember correctly, was
formerly a shoe repair shop where the cobbler had his bench at the window
and you could watch him at his work."
Sandy Cameron, Edinburgh: July 17,
2012 |
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Recollections
41.
Rosari Laughlin
(nee
Jeanette Rosari Durrell Nisbet)
Lake Charles, Louisiana, USA |
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Rosari
Laughlin wrote: |
|
Move to USA
"I
attended All Saints'
School then, from
1952, Boroughmuir School. I married an American am now living
in Lake Charles, Louisiana, USA, about four hours' drive from New
Orleans.
Edinburgh Café s
"However,
I still think of :
-
Brattisani's chip shop
-
Francis Café with Mrs Craigie who never
smiled but made good eggs beans and chips and had all the latest
music in the juke box."
Rosari Laughlin: July 22,
2012 |
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Recollections
42
Paul
Sutherland
Glasgow,
Scotland |
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Thank you
to Paul Sutherland who wrote: |
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The Grail
George Street
"Does anybody remember anything
about this cafe/bookshop on the first floor next door to the book
publisher at 38 George Street?
I
thought it was called 'The Grail' but this
photo shows the name as 'Grail'. It closed round about 1973.
It was a unique, amazing place."
1970
36 (The Grail) + 38 George Street

©
RCAHMS, Photo 99972312
Scran 000-299-993-804-C
Photo 1970
My Experience of The
Grail
"Those were the days when
you had to walk more than ten yards to get a cup of coffee!
Below
are extracts from a memoir piece that I wrote some years ago.
I'd be very
interest to read any other people's memories of the Grail."
|
Memoir - Paul Sutherland
The Grail
Climbing the
Stairs
"Climbing the
stairs, you could smell coffee and quiche, then you became
aware of sombre string quartet music, probably late Haydn or
Beethoven, played not so loudly as to prevent conversation but
loudly enough to be distinct from background music, allowing
you either to talk or seriously listen."
Not Advertised
"Like a private gambling club in
London’s Mayfair, it consciously didn’t advertise itself and
in not doing so, did. The nature of it’s location meant that
you had to be taken, formally introduced. You would never find
it by accident unless you were in the habit of randomly
exploring anonymous Edinburgh closes."
The Interior
"The front door, classically
panelled and glossy white, opened on to rooms lined with
bookshelves, an abundance of rush matting and hessian
wallpaper, and that music.
You expected an ordinary New Town
flat but got this: Miss Jean Brodie meets Woody Allen.
Over a mug of gritty coffee you could eavesdrop on complex
locutions, arc-welded infinitives, the sort of unconscious
academic fluency which in other places would turn heads and
produce a stiffening of discomfort.
To me it would have seemed
reasonable to have to take an IQ test to get in, people with
Doctorates being excused. The chattering-class ambience was
overpowering."
Conversation
"Occasionally, some confident,
educated voice would rise over the background burble of
conversation to then merge back into the intricacies of
extended colloquy. Like a goldfish gasping on a flagstone I
occasionally tried to join in, maybe to ask for a specific
book.
I dropped in every Saturday,
hoping that I might become clever by osmosis so that I could
write like Clive James and use phrases like “teleological
sophistry”.
I would buy a coffee. I would pick
a book from the shelves and try to read it. Once I found
an extensive correction pencilled in the margin, tightly neat.
It began: “Very true but....”
I don’t expect to meet that again
- coffee shop regulars who feel qualified to annotate the
specialist publications on sale."
The Grail was unique but even with
the arrival of institutional coffee drinking, it would stand
out from today’s sea of choice."
The Boss
"The boss, it seemed, was an
Australian woman in her mid-to-late 50s. She was the brown
smocks, Nehru collars, pewter crucifixes type.
I once asked her to read one of my
schoolboy science fiction stories. They were the sort of
half-baked literary acne that was squeezed out of many a
sticky biro, as edifying as underpants.
To me they were strident and
imperative. Oh dear. She was as nice as she could have
been. Her eyes slid over the drivel and if there was an
Oscar for under-acting, it would have been hers.
'Well,' she said, allowing herself
to breath again, 'at least you can write.' I've never
been sure what she meant by that. What I was perfectly
sure of was that I just had to work there."
Work at The Grail
"To serve coffee at The Grail was a more exultant idea
than anything else I could imagine, so I offered to help
behind the coffee bar on Saturday mornings.
'Well,' she said again, 'we won't
be able to pay you much.' I replied that I didn't mind.
I happened to be doing nothing else anyway."
First Day
"The Grail opened at 10.00 am on
Saturdays and I turned up at 9.45 to find the door locked. I
banged on it and there was no answer. I sat down on the stairs
and eventually at 10.20, after sounds of scuffling and
muttering from within, the door opened.
'Oh sorry - we had a bit of a
party last night.' Thanks for the invitation! She
had forgotten who I was but instead of saying to her: 'You've
forgotten who am I, haven't you?' I just stood meekly in the
corner.
The girl behind the food counter
began clattering things around in an Edinburgh New Town,
pinched, blue-stockinged sort of way.
Eventually I plucked up the
courage to move in and join her, explaining who I was, but she
barely acknowledged me, busy-busying herself, swooping around,
grabbing coffee filters, slicing up the quiche."
The Coffee Machine
"She demonstrated the coffee
machine as if her tana lawn smock was on fire. I hadn't
understood her instructions and the machine started to make
'I'm going to explode' noises. Boiling coffee was
spurting everywhere.
From then on, I wasn't to serve
food and I wasn't to handle money. So all I could do was
to collect dirty mugs. It was a quiet morning.
Suddenly it was one o'clock and
the Australian woman, dying to see the back of me, put a hand
on my shoulder and said: 'That's fine, thanks very much.'
Looking back, I know exactly what she meant.
Within minutes I was at the bus
stop having failed to be warmly welcomed into
intellectual society. It was raining, I’ll never
forget."
Paul Sutherland |
Paul Sutherland, Glasgow, Scotland
July 26, 2012 |
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Recollections
43.
Sandy Sievwright
Penicuik, Midlothian,
Scotland |
|
Thank you
to Sandy Sievwright who wrote: |
|
Rellio's
Haymarket
After 'The Cavendish'
"After a good night at the
upper floor of the Cavendish, dancing to the likes of Herman's Hermits and
Engleheart Humperdinck, and finishing with songs like 'Please Stay', it was
time to head down to Rellio's at Haymarket, opposite the Police Station."
Meals
"A mixed grill, a steak with all
the trimmings or a nice trout were my favourites. The place was popular
but never too busy. It was the highlight of our Saturday nights.
The Walk Home
"It
was a late night in those days, with no night buses back to the sticks, so
we simply walked back to Penicuik, some 10 or 12 miles away, and we never
thought anything about it.
Sweet 1960s!."
Sandy Sievwright, Penicuik,
Midlothian, Scotland: August 11, 2012
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Recollections
44.
Sandy Sievwright
Penicuik, Midlothian,
Scotland |
|
Thank you
to Sandy Sievwright for writing with memories of more restaurants in the
centre of Edinburgh.
Sandy wrote: |
|
Thistle Street
1966
Business Lunch
"In
1966, I worked in Dundas Street. Then, it was called Pitt Street.
I often went out for what was referred to as a 'Business Lunch'
The places that I recall as being
the cheapest were in Thistle Street. They were next to each other,
between Hanover Street and Frederick Street if my memory serves me.
The Thistle
"I believe that one was
called 'The Thistle'. For two shillings*,
a 3 course meal was offered - often a bowl of soup, meat and 2 veg and a
sweet to finish off."
Tatler Restaurant
"There was another such place
going up Dundas St on the left. I think it was called 'The Tatler
Restaurant'. It was a little bit more upmarket, charging a half
crown**
for their offerings. The sweet
always seemed to be fresh fruit and ice cream."
Homely Food
"These places were always busy
with good, honest, homely food and it was sometimes a struggle to get an
empty table."
Sandy Sievwright, Penicuik,
Midlothian, Scotland: August 1, 2012
* two shillings
(2/-) = 10p
** half crown (2/6d)
=12.5p
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Recollections
45
Peter Stubbs
Edinburgh |
|
Sandy's
comments in Recollections 44 above reminded me of the time when I first
arrived in Edinburgh. |
|
Standard Life
"I
moved to Edinburgh in 1963, at the age of 18, to take up my first job,
working for The Standard Life Assurance Company and studying for the
Actuarial Exams in the evenings.
I lived in a hostel owned by the
company with about fifteen others. We were all studying for the
exams. The hostel was at
35
Inverleith Terrace. It provided breakfast and an evening meal."
Woolworths
It was to be another couple of
years before Standard Life opened its own restaurant so at lunchtime,
about 12.30pm, I used to take a five minute walk from St Andrew Square to
Woolworths at the East End of Princes Street. Their restaurant was
on the second floor, above their shop.
I don't remember the exact prices
they charged, but they were cheap. I remember that for several
weeks, one colleague had just had a bowl for his lunch. It cost him
4 pence a day. ***
We both continued to work for Standard Life for the next 40 years!
Peter Stubbs, Edinburgh:
August 18, 2012
***
four pence (4d) = about 1.5p
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Recollections
46.
Avril Finlayson Smith
(nee Young)
Bendigo, Victoria,
Australia |
|
Thank
you to Avril Finlayson Smith (nee Young) for posting a message in
the EdinPhoto Guestbook after reading my
Recollections 45 above. |
|
Avril wrote:
St Andrew Square
"I also worked in St Andrew Square.
I worked at at the Scottish BUPA office which was then called the
Scottish Nuffield. It was a Private Health Insurance, which I
thought was for only the wealthy back then. Never did I think
that one day BUPA would become our Private Health Insurer here in
Australia!!
Gows Restaurant
Rose Street
"While working for Scottish Nuffield, we
were given Lunch Vouchers. I think they were worth about two
shillings each, if my memory serves me correctly, for the restaurant
in Rose Street called 'Gows'.
I wonder if anyone remembers 'Gows'.
They were very plain home-cooked meals, but they were nice.
One of them was small individual steak and kidney puddings, plain
potatoes and peas, as an example but very tasty.
Maybe someone else will have visited it,
even your good self."
Avril Finlayson Smith (nee Young),
Bendigo, Victoria, Australia
Message posted in EdinPhoto guestbook, March 24, 2010
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Reply to Avril
Luncheon Vouchers
Hi Avril: I don't think I ever visited Gows in
Rose Street, but I do remember fairly widespread use of Luncheon Vouchers
that you mentioned, even though I was never issued with any.
They continued to be used for a long time after I
first came across them in the 1960s. I believe they offered a modest
tax saving, but their nominal value hardly changed over the years as the
price of meals went up with inflation.
Peter Stubbs: August 19, 2012 |
Recollections
47.
Nan Scott (nee
Hay)
Pakenham, Melbourne,
Victoria, Australia |
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Nan Scott replied to Avril Finlayson Smith's
Recollections 46 above.
Nan wrote: |
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Luncheon Vouchers
"I've just been reading about
Luncheon Vouchers. I remember them well. I too used
them. Mine were for 2/6 when I worked for Thomas C. Gray,
the Sheriff Officer. I could use them in Patrick Thomsons, the big
shop up the Bridges.
When I changed jobs a few years
later. I got vouchers for 3 shillings and used them at the Chinese
Restaurant at the West End called the Bamboo and also in the New Yorker.
If I didn't use the vouchers
during the week, which I sometimes didn't, my husband and I used them in
the Bamboo on a Saturday for lunch before we went to see Hibs playing,
whether home or away - a great meal, and I didn't have to
cook!"
Nan Scott (nee Hay), Pakenham, Melbourne, Victoria,
Australia:
Reply to Avril Finlayson Smith's message of Aug 19 2012 posted in
EdinPhoto Guestbook, same day. |
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Reply to Nan?
If you'd like to send a reply to Nan,
please email me, then I'll pass on you message to her.
Thank you
Peter Stubbs, Edinburgh:
December 3, 2011 |
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Recollections
48.
Iain Stewart
Barcelona,
Spain |
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Thank you to Ian Stewart, Barcelona, Spain,
for responding to Paul Sutherland's comments in
Recollections 42 above.
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Ian wrote:
The Grail
"The Grail Cafe in George
Street was a sort of an oxymoron.:
- A ladies' ecumenical
centre.
- An organisation founded by
a Jesuit.
It was famed for:
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its filter coffee
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its homemade cakes
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its catholic (small c) record collection
- Shubert's Trout
-
Beiderbecke
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Songs for Swinging Sellers
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etc.
- great
Christmas cards
-
cheap pressies for the girlfriend
-
the hand-picked lovelies from
Craiglockhart who served the filter coffee in the brown pottery
cups.
The Australian lady in charge was
Norah."
Iain Stewart, Barcelona, Spain:
August 18, 2012 |
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Recollections
49.
Allan Dodds
Nottingham,
Nottinghamshire, England |
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Allan Dodds has asked: |
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Chinese Restaurants
"Does anyone remember the two Chinese
restaurants that opened in Hanover Street in the early-1960s
The Golden Gate
and
The Golden Palace.
They were on opposite sides of the road
and were owned by the Sito brothers."
Allan Dodds, Nottingham,
Nottinghamshire, England: October 9, 2012 |
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Allan added: |
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Question
Henderson's
"Am I right or am I wrong in believing
that one of them became Henderson's vegetarian restaurant?
We used to play mah Yong with the
waiters there after closing time and we were treated to numerous
free meals as the management tried to attract customers by word of
mouth."
Allan Dodds, Nottingham,
Nottinghamshire, England: October 9, 2012 |
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Recollections
50.
Gordon Rule
Edinburgh
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Here is a
message from Gordon Rule about the Pied Piper Café. I originally added
this message to the web site as 'Recollections 115' on
the
Clubs and Discos page.
However,
I've now decided that it is better included on this Cafés and Restaurants
page as Recollections 50, so that's what I've done
Gordon wrote:
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Pied Piper Café
"I am amazed that after trawling
through all the recollections of clubs and Cafés that I can find
absolutely no mention of The Pied Piper Café which operated in the early-1960s
and closed around 1965 to become a building society.
This was in Charlotte
Street, very close to Princes street at the West
End and was a hugely popular meeting place, mostly at the weekends, before
going to parties and clubs, especially the Gamp and Place.
There was such a wide circle of
people from all walks of life who met up there to socialise and
enjoy themselves. As a testament to how popular it was, when
it closed, it still did not stop people meeting outside the Café
with often some
50 or so, all
congregating on the pavement.
This
went on for about a year before it finally tailed off and people found
other places to go.
I would be delighted to hear from
anyone who used to frequent The Pied Piper."
Gordon Rule, Edinburgh:
April 13, 2011 |
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Recollections
51.
Gail Pike
South Carolina, USA |
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Thank you to Gail Pike, South
Carolina, USA for responding to Gordon Rule's 'Recollections 50' above.
Gail wrote: |
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Pied Piper Café
"I appreciated the comments
and photo of the Pied Piper:
©
In 1965 my best friend and I took
a shoestring tour of Europe and our first stop was Edinburgh.
I remember the fab meal we had at
Pied Piper, and it seems like I remember some stained glass or mosaic
windows. I'd
love to have a picture of the inside of the Pied Piper, if anyone has one.
We stayed at the Learmonth Hotel
- two 18 year olds from South Carolina"
Gail Pike, South Carolina,
USA: August 22, 2012 |
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Recollections
52.
Bob Leslie
Glasgow, Scotland
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Thank you
to Bob Leslie for writing again with more recollections from the 1960s. |
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Bob wrote
Deep Sea
Restaurant
"After hearing the bands at
the Top Storey, at the top of Leith Street on a Sunday, we'd drop
into the Deep Sea chippy for a fish supper - a damn good one too, as my
taste buds recall!
There was a rumour that there was a house of
ill repute above the Deep Sea to which admission was gained by murmuring
'Mars Bar' to the
chippy proprietor. We never worked up the nerve to test this rumour!"
Bob Leslie, Glasgow, Scotland, October
20, 2012
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Recollections
53.
Eileen Shay (nee
Byrne)
Florida, USA |
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Thank you to Eileen Shay for
posting a message in the EdinPhoto guestbook.
Eileen wrote: |
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West End
Café
"I went tother Palais de Dance on Saturday
nights with my girlfriends and on Sundays went to the West End Cafe to
hear the great bands.
Manhattan
Café
"I also worked at the Manhattan
Café where they had the best
hamburgers I have ever tasted. I wish I was still in Edinburgh, that
wonderful city."
Eileen Shay (nee Byrne), Florida, USA: Message posted in EdinPhoto
Guestbook, Oct 31, 2012 |
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Recollections
54.
Allan Dodds
Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England |
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Alan Dodds has already sent me one of his
photos of the exterior of La Fiesta Café that he took in the 1960s.
See Recollections 32 above.
Exterior View
©
The large sign at the top of the central
window on the left of this photo reads:
'La
Fiesta |
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Now Allan has sent me a photo that he took,
around 1960, inside the café.
Interior View
©
Alan wrote:
Acknowledgement: Allan Dodds, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire,
England: November 27, 2012 |
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Recollections
55.
Ronnie
Aitchison
Normanton,
Wakefield, West Yorkshire, England
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Thank you to Ronnie Aitchison who wrote:
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The Manhattan
"I was curious if there was any information on
the Manhattan on the EdinPhoto web site. That's a cafe I visited
many times in the later 1950s, learning to enjoy spaghetti Bolognese."
Coffee Joe's
"The Valentes family also opened another
restaurant in Edinburgh. It was Coffee Joe's in Forrest Road."
Rev Dr Ronnie Aitchison, Normanton, Wakefield, West
Yorkshire, England: December 16, 2012 |
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Ronnie:
The Manhattan
Did you find the comments above about the
Manhattan?
Please see:
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Recollections 2 (from Illinois, USA)
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Recollections 3 (from Newcastle -upon-Tyne, England)
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Recollections 26 (from Jamestown, California, USA)
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Recollections 29 (from England)
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Recollections 37 (from San Diego, California, USA) and
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Recollections 53 (from Florida, USA).
Peter Stubbs, Edinburgh: December 19, 2012 |
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Recollections
56.
David Bain
Rotherham, South Yorkshire,
England |
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Thank you to David
Bain who wrote: |
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The Bistro
Bruntsfield
"I haven't seen mention so far of The
Bistro. It was one of the row of shops beside the church in
Bruntsfield Place.
I went there many times in the mid to
late-1960s to enjoy a 'hamburger all the way'. It was
similar to the dressed up burgers served by today's fast-food
emporia; the big difference being that it was delicious!"
David
Bain, Rotherham, South Yorkshire, Edinburgh: December 20,
2012 |
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