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A W Elson & Co

Belmont, Boston

Background

A W Elson & Co were based at 146 Olive Street, Boston around 1900.  The company made photogravure plates and were plate printers.  They also produced carbon prints.

A book on the company titled:  A.W. Elson and company: makers of photogravure plates and plate printers was published around 1904.

A copy of the title page, together with examples of their photogravures, including several photos of the company's works can be found on the Trove web site.  (Key  TROVE ELSON into Google to find the page.)

Print for Sale

The Pot of Gold Antiques web site is currently (at February 2008) selling an A W Elson print (No 16 below). 

I have reproduced the details from the Pot of Gold Antiques web site here in case the page on that site vanishes in the event of the print being sold or withdrawn:    A W Elson Carbon Print For Sale.  This page also includes some background comments about the company, A W Elson.

A Few Questions

Below are a number of questions that I have been asked about the work of A W Elson & Co, Boston.

They refer to the following pictures.  Please click on one of the subjects below, or scroll down to see them all:

1.  Abraham Lincoln

2.  John White Alexander

3.  John White Alexander (again)

4.  Boyhood of Raleigh

5.  Cornwallis Surrender

6.  Dartmouth College

7.  Indian

8.  Indian and the Lily

9.  Paintings by Kever

10.  The Little Rose of Lyme Regis

11.  Martha Washington

12.  Portrait by Finx

13.  Presentation in the Temple

14   Shakespeare's Birthplace

15.  Soldier by Fireplace

16.  Spirit of '76

17.  The Sower

18.  [unknown subject]

19.  California Spanish Missions

20.  Yardale

21.  By the River

22.  Friend of the Humble

23.  George Washington's Home

24.  The Coming Storm

25.  Betsy Ross sewing the First American Flag.

26.  Ann Hathaway's Cottage

27.  River and Church - where?

28.  a)  Wake Up

b)  Madonna and Saints

29.  Boys of the Shell

30.  Deer in the Forest Twilight

31.  George Washington

32.  Washington and Lincoln

33.  [Painting with two dogs]

34.  [Photo; formal dress and coaches]

35.  Mount Robson  Print of an Ansel Adams photograph

If you can help to provide answers to any of the questions below,  please email me so that I can pass on details to the owners of the photos.

                          Thank you.

-  Peter Stubbs

 

Question

 1

"Abraham Lincoln"

Philip Morrow wrote:

"I have a print of Abraham Lincoln showing him quarter-facing left and clean shaven.  In small print under the oval print is: 'Published and Copyright 1894, by A. W. Elson & Co. Boston'."

 

Carbon Print by A W Elson of Boston  -  Abraham Lincoln

©  Reproduced with acknowledgement to Philip Morrow

"Can you tell me more about this particular print and perhaps its approximate value?  It is in a broad wooden frame (oak, I believe) with a cardboard backing.  The frame measures 31"W x 37"H and the oval is about 15"W x 18"H. 

It had belonged to my grandparents -- and probably their parents.  There is a little moisture staining into the bottom border, but not onto the oval itself.  This is a large print and seems to be remarkably well-preserved.  (An example of 'carbon printing'?) 

Thanks for any help you can provide."

Philip Morrow:  February 2004

 

Another Lincoln Photo

Here is a message received in May 2005 about another Lincoln photo:

"In our family we have a large carbon print of Abe Lincoln sitting by the fire. 

It is called Boyhood of Lincoln.  This print was made by AW Elson & Co. Boston. 

It is in an old large oak frame.  On the back there is a number A5. 

We know that the original of this picture was painted by Eastman Johnson and hangs in a museum in Michigan. 

We are interested in any information about this print, when it was made, how many are there, the value, etc.  Anything would be helpful. 

Thank you much for your help."

Farrah, May 2005: North Dakota, USA.

 

3rd  Lincoln Photo

Here is a message received in March 2006.  Angela Hall wrote:

"I have an identical print and was wondering if anyone responded to you regarding the value. 

 Mine is in a fairly fancy Victorian frame so I am only looking for some help on the print itself.  Any help you can give is greatly appreciated.  Thanks!"

Angela Hall:  March 15, 2006

4th  Lincoln Photo

Here is a message received in May 2007.  Cindy Farmer wrote:

" I have the same photo that Mr. Phil Morrow was describing.   I also have had it in my family as long as I can remember. 

 I was wondering what the value of this photo would be, and how to care for it.

Any information you could share with me, including who the artist was, would be great. 

My mother is very ill and she asked me at one time to find out what I could about it.  I would love to be able to tell her something before she passes."

Cindy Farmer:  May 2, 2007

 

5th  Lincoln Photo

Gary, Colorado, USA wrote

" I also have the exact Abe Lincoln portrait with the same clean shaven Lincoln along with the exact border you have shown, but not the same frame. 

I am wondering if you have any more information on this as I track A W Elson & Co from Boston, Mass."

Gary, Colorado, USA:  February 4, 2008

Sorry Gary, I still don't have any answers - just more people finding the same picture!

Peter Stubbs:  February 4, 2008

Other Presidents

Here is a message I received in response to the photo above:

"I have the same print as the one pictured in your first question from Philip Morrow.  In fact the frame appears to be identical.  I purchased mine along with prints of Jefferson, Washington, Franklin and others about 35 years ago in Auburn, New York."

James F Plugh, 12 January 2005

 

If you feel that you can help to answer any of the questions above, or any other questions on this page,  please e-mail me so that I can pass on your answer to the owners of the photo. 

Thank you      -  Peter Stubbs

  

Question

2

"Painting by John White Alexander"

Sarah Imbruglia wrote:

"I am writing in concern of a picture I purchased at a yard sale. The picture is a beautiful portrait of a person the name on the bottom says John Alexander 91'. A.W. Elson & Company Boston Carbon Photographs.

If you could please help me find out more information about this portrait please contact me. If not please point me into the right direction.

Thank you for your time."

From Sarah Imbruglia  -  August 2001

Comment

There was a John White Alexander.  I don't know whether this was the same person or not.

He was born in Allegheny, Pennsylvania on 7 Oct 1856 and died in New York, 1915.  He was a society portrait painter, painting mainly women, 1887-91.

Some of his paintings are included in a catalogue of a Memorial Exhibition in 1941, published by the Carnegie Institute, Pittsburgh.

Peter Stubbs  -  August 2001

 

Question

3

"Painting by John White Alexander" (again)

Here is another query that I have received about a carbon photograph by A W Elson of a painting by John White Alexander.  Tim Rodgers of Salt Lake City writes:

"I was wondering if I could get some/any info. on a piece I have at home.  It is a photo of a painting by John White Alexander titled Isabella and the Pot of Basil. Below the photo, with in the frame work is a stamp on the matting.  It says "A.W. Elson & Company Carbon Photographs".

I believe my Mother got the picture from an old school in Illinois in the 1950s.  The picture itself is about 16 inches wide by 25 inches tall.  The whole thing including the frame is about 2 feet by 3.5 feet.

I found the poem that the actual painting is about, and later on I saw a drink tray at a flea market with the Isabella picture in the middle of it.  On the drink tray picture it appeared as if the pot was a fish bowl and Isabella was tapping on the side of the glass playing with a fish inside. 

Any further information would be greatly appreciated.  Of course, I'd love to find out the value if this photo but I doubt I would ever sell it."

Tim Rodgers, Salt Lake City, Utah  -  February 2005

If you can help to answer the question above, please e-mail me.

Thank you.   -  Peter Stubbs

Tim also gave details of the poem:

"It's all about Isabella and how she was in love with some guy that her brother didn't approve of.  The brother thought she should marry a Nobel man.  So the brother killed Isabella's boy friend.  Isabella found out about it and later found where the body was. 

I don't know if she did or her servants did but somehow they cut the boyfriend's head off.  Isabella put the head in a pot and planted some basil on top.  There she mourned for her lost love. 

Apparently the Basil pot with the head in it flourished noticeably more than the rest of the pots of basil nearby. So the evil brother took the pot with the head in it to find out why.  The poem ends with poor Isabella now searching for the lost pot with the head in it."

Tim Rodgers, Salt Lake City, Utah  -  February 2005

 

Question

4

"Boyhood of Raleigh"

W Foster wrote:

"I have a carbon print with Boyhood of Raleigh written on the back of the matting with A. W. Elson & Co. Boston Mass embossed in the mat.

Do you know how old this is?

Thanks".

wfoster2@triad.rr.com  -  September 2003

Comment

'The Boyhood of Raleigh' was painted in oil on canvas by John Millais in 1869-70.  It is is in the Tate Gallery, London.

I don't know when the carbon print was produced by AW Elson, but I believe that the company published many carbon prints in the 1890s and early 1900s

Peter Stubbs  -  September 2003

 

Question

5

"Cornwallis Surrender"

Kip Legaard wrote:

"Hello,

I have this large portrait and I was wondering what its value is and what exactly this picture is of?"

Carbon Print by A W Elson of Boston  -  Cornwallis Surrender

©  Reproduced with acknowledgement to Kip Legaard

From Kip Legaard  -  February 2004

If you can help to answer the question above, please e-mail me.

Thank you.   -  Peter Stubbs

Update

"From what I found out the picture is a carbon print of Cornwallis Surrender"

Kip Legaard  -  February 2004

 

Question

6

Aerial View of
Dartmouth College

I have received two messages about this picture:

Patricia Corliss wrote:

"I am hoping you can help me.   I have an original  print  signed by Richard Rummels.   it is an aerial view of Dartmouth College. 

It also has A.W Elson & Co Boston on the right hand corner  and in the middle, below the picture it has  1906 WT Littig and Company.  It is framed, looks pretty old, and has water rolled glass, quite beautiful and is matted  in great shape.

Well i guess if you can  help me figure out  the worth,  how many copies were made and   how Littig came into play with this and also A.W. Elson, and also  where i can find info on the net to  get some more history on where to sell this piece.

I do know Rummels is in the museum.. So any info on this piece  would be greatly appreciated."

Patricis Corliss   -  November 2005

Bonnie wrote:

"I have an original print signed by Richard Rummels.  I think that it is an aerial view of Dartmouth College.

Printed on the right hand corner below picture is: Photogravure by A. W. Elson & Co. Boston with Richard Rummels signature.

Printed in the middle under the picture is: Copyright, 1908, by W.T. Littig & Co. New York.

Also has a small print of a shed like building with trees and a keg or barrel on the building ledge.

It is a 31" X 19" print with glass and 3" finished wood frame. Very nice picture of which we get many compliments and inquiries.

I would appreciate any information you could give me regarding the picture and its worth."

Bonnie:   January 7, 2006

Blair Lockwood wrote:

"I also have a print of Dartmouth that I recently inherited. My grandfather was a Dartmouth grad about 100 years ago so this sounds like the same print as described above.

Perhaps it was sold/given to Dartmouth grads during that time. I am interested in either giving it to Dartmouth or selling it if I can find a buyer but also don't have any idea of its value."

Blair Lockwood, Baton Rouge, Louisiana, USA:  February 10, 2007

Blair Lockwood subsequently wrote

"I have just contacted Dartmouth to see if they were interested in the picture as a gift. They have a few copies of the picture,  so they were not.

I think it was distributed widely.  I will hang on to my copy for now, but I was quite interested in finding out that others had copies and were also interested in its history."

Blair Lockwood, Baton Rouge, Louisiana, USA:  February 13, 2007

If you can provide any more information about this photograph, please e-mail me.

Thank you.   -  Peter Stubbs

 

Question

7

"Indian"

Message from the EdinPhoto GuestBook:

"I have a print that is black & white it is approx 2 ft. by 2ft. there is no artist that signed on the print except the publisher which is A.W Elson & Co Boston.

It is a portrait of an male Indian appears to be from the southern states do to the back ground. The time must have been before 1913  -  found a Boston newspaper behind the print.

Wish to know the artist, the tribe of which this Indian is from and state, and the value of this print?"

From GuestBook [anon]   -  February 2003

Comment

You could have a look at the Appalachian Arts web site.  (Despite its opening screen, it does not appear to need a password!)

This site refers to the Wanamaker Collection of Indian photographs at Indiana University, and to photogravure prints of Indians by Elson of Boston, some published 1913 and others in 1925.

Peter Stubbs  -  February 2003

 

Question

8

"Indian and the Lily"

Message from Victoria Ellis:

"I have a beautiful picture from the Wanamaker Collection.   The outer frame is wooden, 2 inches and 27 by 29 inches.

The subject is an Indian. He appears to be from the South due to the vegetations around him. The trees have moss hanging off the branches touching the lagoon that surrounds the back drop. He is Kneeling down to the lagoon and with his right hand gripping the vines from the trees so he may not fall into the water as he picks a fresh flowering water Lilly from the water line. It's obvious he's on the journal home from a hunt.

A large white feathery fowl (maybe a crane, it has long legs and a very long neck) is draped over his back. He is bare chest with a wide, thick belt around his waist and thigh high Moccasins that depict his tribe's colors, drawings symbolisms of their way of life.

Unfortunately when the picture was shipped the glass shatter scratching the surface in two places not deep but the picture was in mint condition before that. It must have been the originally glass. In fact, the Boston Newspaper was behind the frame. I had new glass put in and kept the originally frame. 

This portray moves me in many ways, so I have many questions:

1. Indian from what tribe ?

2. What area of the south?

3. Date?

4. Who was the photographer and the passion for his work?

5. Is A. W. Elson and Boston Co. still intact?

6. Where do you go for an appraisal on this piece?
     I'm  insuring all my personal items

Victoria Ellis  -  Kodiak, Alaska, USA  -  August 2005

Comment

You could have a look at the Appalachian Arts web site.  (Despite its opening screen, it does not appear to need a password!)

This site refers to the Wanamaker Collection of Indian photographs at Indiana University, and to photogravure prints of Indians by Elson of Boston, some published 1913 and others in 1925.

I have never e-mailed this web site, but if you were to do so, they might be able to answer some of your questions.

Peter Stubbs  -  August 2005

"Indian and the Lily"

2nd copy

I have received a further e-mail (from Rick Garrett, address not known, October 2005) telling me that he also has an Indian photo.  He is trying to discover more about this photo.  He describes it as:

"an Indian in a swamp, with a goose( I think)  on his back.  He seems to be picking a pond lily." 

Rick Garrett  -  October 2005

"Indian and the Lily"

3rd copy

This appears to be another copy the photograph referred to above. Dave Chaszewski, from northern Manitoba, Canada, who sent the photo below, tells me that it is titled: 'Indian and the Lily'

A W Elson photograph titled ' Indian and the Lily'

©  Reproduced with acknowledgement to Dave Chaszewski, northern Manitoba, Canada

 

Detail from the bottom of the frame above

showing A W Elson's logo

A W Elson's logo - taken from the bottom of the frame of a photo titled 'Indian and the Lily

©  Reproduced with acknowledgement to Dave Chaszewski, northern Manitoba, Canada

Dave Chaszewski:  July 21 + 22,  2006

Dave Chaszewski wrote again in August 2006 telling me:

Value of the Picture?

"I tried to contact Victoria Ellis of Kodiak, Alaska, USA concerning this picture, but have not had any luck.

I think now it is more important to contact someone on the value of this print for I have been offered Can$1000.00 without any questions asked from a lady at a garage sale that has an antique store

I did not accept the money, thinking that it might be worth more.  Was I stupid or should I take whatever I can for it?

I did not have it for sale.  I just wanted to ask her what it might be worth.  Any help with information on possibly selling it would be appreciated

Thanx,  Dave

Dave Chaszewski, northern Manitoba, Canada:  August 14, 2006

 

"Indian and the Lily"

4th copy

Carolyn Fisher from Minnesota  e-mailed me in March 2007 to tell me that she also has a copy of 'Indian and the Lilly'.

Carolyn wrote:

"We just inherited this print.

Do you have any ideas on the value or know where we can get a current value?

Any more information on it would be great!!"

Carolyn Fisher, Duluth, Minnesota:  March 16, 2007

 

 

Question

9

"Paintings by Kever"

Here is a query that I received by e-mail:

"I have a print by the artist J S H Kever, published by AW Elson & Co of Boston. I would like to learn more about dates, people etc. and also the value if any."

masloan@telus.net   -  January 2003

 

Another e-mail, three years later referred to a painting by the same artist, but but made no mention of A W Elson & Co.

Karen Smith wrote:

"I am interested in finding out more about the artist J. H. S, Kever.

I  know that he was Dutch and died in about 1922.  I have a painting of his of a seated lady sewing with a small blonde child next to her watching,

It is framed in an ornate gold frame with a small  plaque at the bottom with the artists name inscribed.  The painting is also signed   KEVER  ..   

I would like to know more about the artist and this work in particular.  I hope someone can help. 

Thank you.

Karen Smith: 14 January 2006

 

If you can help to answer the question above, please e-mail me.

Thank you.   -  Peter Stubbs

 

Question

10

"The Little Rose of Lyme Regis"

Message from Robin:

"I recently purchased a truly haunting portrait in an antique shop.  It was only $10, yet has a lovely frame and the little girl just, well, takes possession of whomever view her.  She does seem forlorn, so perhaps that is why I was lucky enough to get her.

At the bottom of the picture on the left corner, it says James McNeill Whistler Pine (? I think its pine) In the middle in larger print is says 'The Little Rose of Lyme Regis' and in the right corner is says copyright A.W. Elson  & Co.  Boston.

I know that this is a copy or something like, the painting of the same name by Whistler.  However, when I wrote to an expert on his work, she told me that I must have a page from a book or old catalogue.  I knew this was not so.  You can see that the actual picture portion is impressed into the paper and the tonal grey brown qualities are exceptional.  I think it may be just the kind of photograph you discussed.

I wonder if you know anything more about my lovely girl and if she has any worth, other than that of my heart.  I'd be happy to send you a jpeg of the portrait if you would like.

I am a teacher/ photographer....however I did work in an Antique Shop as a teen, and this just strikes me as a forgotten treasure."

Robin, Rochester, Michigan:  February 2004

 

Message from Doris Livezey:

"I too have a sepia tone print of 'The Little Rose of Lyme Regis'.   It was in my grandmother's house in Connecticut.

It was framed at the Sterling Art Shop in Schenectady, NY.  The print is older than I am (I'm 65). 

I wonder if there is any more information about it.."

Doris Livezey, San Jose, California:  December 17, 2006

Reply to Doris Livezey:

Key "LITTLE ROSE OF LYME REGIS" (including the inverted commas) into Google.

It should find quite a few links.  It found 73 links when I tried it today.   

- Peter Stubbs,  December 17, 2006

 

Question

11

Martha Washington

Portrait of Martha Washington

©  Reproduced with acknowledgement
 to Dolores Fogelsinger

Message from Dolores Fogelsinger

"I have portrait of Martha Washington that is oval  under Martha it states copyright 1893 by A.W. Elson & Co. Boston.  Under this Martha Washington and under it has From the Athenaeum portrait by Gilbert Stuart. 

I would appreciate any information a value of this."

Dolores Fogelsinger, Michigan, USA:  August 2004

If you can help to answer the question above, please e-mail me.

Thank you.   -  Peter Stubbs

 

Question

12

Portrait by Thomas Sully Finx

Message received by e-mail:

"I have a black and white portrait by Thomas Sully Finx.  the torn hat,  copyright A.W.Elson Boston mass, do you know anything about it, age value? it is framed in an old oak frame.   Thank you."

e-mail received 15 March 2004

If you can help to answer the question above, please e-mail me.

Thank you.   -  Peter Stubbs

 

Question

13

Presentation in the Temple

Message from M Brindamour

"I have an old print or something, not a photo, of a young girl playing a lute.  It is dated 1904,  A W Elson, Boston.

She is barefooted and seems to be sitting up on a shelf or terraced table of some kind.  There is a small piece of paper attached to the edge of the table just below her right foot - her legs are crossed, left foot up -  that says (?) Victor Carpathvis. Under that is like a chemistry formula 2 M something X only the numbers are smaller than the letters like a formula.

Have you ever seen this or know anything about it?   It is entitled Presentation in the temple - detail - Carpaccio.  If you have any information about this I would be grateful to hear from you.  It is a very intriguing picture because of the strange paper with the name and formula."

M Brindamour  Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA:  February 2005

Comment

I don't know the significance of the letters and numbers, but this will be a copy (carbon print or photogravure) by A W Elson & Co of detail in the painting Presentation of Jesus in The Temple by the Italian painter, Vittore Carpaccio (1472-1526).

The painting has a group of standing figures, including Mary holding Jesus.  Beneath them are three angels, seated, playing instruments, a crumhorn, a lute and a lyre.

The painting is now in the Gallerie dell'Accademia, Venice.  A copy can be found on the The World Gallery of Art web site.  Key wga carpaccio temple into Google to find the page.

Peter Stubbs  -  February 2005

 

Question

14

Shakespeare's Birthplace

Message from Bob Freedom:

"I have a picture of the room where Shakespeare was born. On the bottom of the picture or photo are the words-"The room where Shakespeare was born" and Copyright 1898 by A.W.Elson & Co. of Boston. Could you give me an idea of its value? It is in good condition. How can I find the value of this picture?

Thank you."

Bob Freedom,  New York, USA:  March 2005

UPDATE  September 15,  2007

James Chrismond, West Haven Connecticut, USA also has a copy of this photo and is keen to discover more about it.

If you can tell Bob or James anything about this picture, please e-mail me.

Thank you.   -  Peter Stubbs

 

Question

15

Soldier by Fireplace

Message from Mary Ann:

"I currently own a large photograph with a raised stamp on bottom indicating it is by A W Elson of Boston. The photograph is a very rustic picture of a young soldier by a fireplace.  Have you gotten any information on this type of photograph?  It is in a very old frame and the print is very large."

Mary Ann:  August 2004

If you can help to answer the question above, please e-mail me.

Thank you.   -  Peter Stubbs

 

Question

16

'Spirit of 76'

Thank you to Tana Pinkerton of Roundup, Montana, USA who sent me the photograph and comments below.

A W Elson Photograph  -  Spirit of 76

©  Reproduced with acknowledgement to Tina Pinkerton

"I believe I have a carbon print of the "Spirit of '76".   It is framed similar to the 1st picture of Lincoln on your website. 

There is a little water damage on the bottom of the picture and  also some water marks on the upper portion of the picture.  It has a mat with the AW Elson & Company Boston Imprint on it. 

Any information you could send me would be much appreciated."

Tana Pinkerton, Roundup, Montana, USA,  1 December 2005

 

If you can provide any info on this or on any of the other photos mentioned on this page, please e-mail me

Thank you.    -  Peter Stubbs

 

Answer

16

Print for Sale

The Pot of Gold Antiques web site, Colorado, USA, is currently (February 2008) offering this print for sale for US$2,600.

I've reproduced the details from the 'Pot of Gold Antiques' web site here in case the page on that site above vanishes in the event of the print being sold or withdrawn.

Peter Stubbs:  February 5, 2008
AND thank you to Gary Huber, Colorado, USA for telling me about this sale.

 

Question

17

"The Sower"

 Here is a question that was left in the EdinPhoto Guest Book.

 

"I have a very large carbon photograph of "The Sower".  It is in sepia type tones. 

The frame is quarter sawn oak with a smaller brass engraved label reading "A Gift to the Palisade School"

The glass is hand rolled with all the normal flaws. 

The photo has an embossed matt reading:
 "A W Elson & Company: Carbon Photograph"

J F Millet painted "The Sower".  He is a famous French artist who did many peasant scenes.  The original painting has hung in the Boston Museum since around 1880, about fifteen years after it was first painted (I believe).

The photo is huge and measures 26"W x 34"H without matting or frame.

This thing is stunning and causes everyone to ask of its history.  Please fill in the blank expression on my face with an intelligent comment."

-  Was it common to photograph paintings?

-  Do you know anything about this company?

-  What of the Palisade School in Boston?

-  Was it linked to photography?

-  Do you know who worked there doing projects like this?

GuestBook [anon]   -  September 2002

If you can help to answer these questions above, please e-mail me.

Thank you.   -  Peter Stubbs

 

Question

18

[unknown subject]

Here is another query received by e-mail:

"Hello, Can someone tell me where to look for information on A.W. Elson and Co. of Boston? I have a print dated 1904 and it is way to cool. I would love to find info on it, but I'm drowning in the Web.

Thanks."

TimberTee@yahoo.com   -  December 2002

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Much of the work of AW Elson appears to have been photogravure images, produced in the 1890s, often portraits for illustrations in books including some for limited editions.

However the Appalachian Arts web site refers to AW Elson photogravures in a book published in 1925.  This site also gives a very brief definition of the photogravure process.

Peter Stubbs  -  December 2002

 

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