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Edward Drummond Young

Edward Drummond Young  -  1933 ©
Edward:  Photographed in 1933

1876 - 1945

 

Edward Drummond Young

Background

Family

Edward was the son of William Drummond YoungEdward was born on 13 October 1876 and died on 28 April  1946.  Edward's full name William Edward, Drummond Young, but he was usually known as Edward (or in the family known as 'Buffs').

Artist

A grand-daughter of William Drummond tells me:

"One story I heard about both of William and Edward was that they were refused membership of the RSA because they were not considered real artists because they were photographers as well.

You may know if this sort of rivalry  went on in the early years of the last century."

Whether or not Photography should be regarded as one of the Fine Arts has been a contentious issue since the mid-19th century.

It has been the subject of many debates at the PSS (Photographic Society of Scotland) and EPS (Edinburgh Photographic Society).

Acknowledgement:  Mary Powell, niece of Edward Drummond Young for the details above.  Mary tells me that she has a  lovely pastel painting Buffs did of her from a photo he took about 1940. I believe he exhibited it at the RSA.  It has an exhibition number on the back.      - January 2009

 

Edward Drummond Young

Family

Thank you to Linda Muller who wrote:

Family

"My grandfather (my mother’s father) was John Drummond Young.  Edward, John's brother, was always referred to as Uncle Buffs in the family. 

 I have a painting by Uncle Buffs."

Linda Muller:  January 28, 2012

 

Edward Drummond Young

Awards in Exhibitions

Edward Drummond Young won many awards.  A list of awards was printed on the back of his photos in the late 1930s

Photograph by Drummond Young  -  probably around 1940 ©       The back of a photograph by Drummond Young  -  probably around 1940 ©

On 5 April1926, E D Young was congratulated by his fellow members of the EPPS (Edinburgh Professional Photographers' Association) on having been awarded 1st prize of $500 in the Middle Atlantic Estates Photographic Exhibition.

[BJP 1926, p233]

 

Edward Drummond Young

Lectures to

Edinburgh Photographic Society

Edward Drummond Young, son of William Drummond Young, was born around 1877 and died around 1946.  He, like his father, trained as both an painter and photographer.  He spent some time painting in Paris and gaining experience in USA before joining the family business in Edinburgh. [DYF]

He wrote a book: The Art of Photography.

Edward was a member of Edinburgh Photographic Society in 1890 or earlier, and between 1925 and 1937,  he gave nine lectures to the EPS.

1925

Photographic Portraiture and Composition

 1927

Photographic Portraiture and Composition

1931

[lecture]

1932

Panchromatics

 1935

Portraiture

 1936

Composition in Portraiture

1936

To Boston and Hudson Bay on a Tramp

1937

Print Criticism in reference to Composition

1939

[lecture]

1945

Criticism of Prints at Members’ Exhibition

 

 

Edward Drummond Young

Photograph Albums

Edward Drummond Young presented a paper to the Professional Photographers’ Association in 1911, recommending a standard size of photographic album using a standard size of mount, approx 11ins x 7.5 ins that could be used to accommodate photographs of sizes from cart de visite to, say 8 ins x 5 ins., all of which would be mounted on a standard size of mount.

He regretted the demise of the  ‘old fashioned albums’ that had previously been  used to hold cartes de visite and cabinet prints.  He said that reasons given by his sitters for ordering fewer photos were that:

-  These big mounts are awfully nice but they get so soiled

-  They take up so much room

-  Can't afford to frame them all

-  They are stuck all over the place.

This topic had previously been discussed at the Edinburgh branch of the Professional Photographers' Association.  The Edinburgh branch had endorsed this idea and had arranged for several albums to be made up.

Edward Drummond Young added:

What we need ins nothing like the old and nothing like the new snapshot or postcard albums, but a receptacle for the best in photographic portraiture, the collection and preservation of which is to be encouraged

[BJP:1911, p407]

 

Edward Drummond Young

Full Length Portraiture

Edward Drummond Young delivered a Lecture to the Annual Congress of the Professional Photographers' Association held in Harrogate, Yorkshire, in April 1937.

He illustrated his lecture with slides of his own work and of the works of the painters: Rembrandt, Hals, Rubens, Jeburg, van Dyck, Raeburn.

[BJP: 30 April 1937,  p273-5

 

Edward Drummond Young

Panchromatic Plates

Almost 20 years after the paper, Photographic Albums, was published, the BJP published another paper by Edward Drummond Young. 

His subject, Panchromatics.  Here are some extracts from his paper:

"For over twenty years, I have used panchromatics and for the last eleven years used them entirely for portraiture, and I may say with satisfactory results.

The flesh rendering is so much truer, more luminous and without that course grain ad exaggerated pores of the skin that ordinary emulsion often shows.  Red or fair hair is much better

An additional benefit is the correct rendering of coloured patterns in dress materials and uniforms with decorations.  The outcome of this better rendering in colour values is a better rendering of textures.

In my experience the earlier panchromatic emulsion was not at all so fully sensitised to the red ...  With the increased red-sensitiveness, I began to find the over-correction.  I then painted the reflection surface of my lighting cabinet with blue, and found this improved matters."

Edward Drummond Young commented

"Possibly the type of subject calling for most care in lighting is the fair pink gentleman with closely cropped white hair;  if the lighting should get too much to the side, the flesh and hair will merge in value, but the slight  shading by placing a shade or screen between the light and the sitter, not too far forward, will at once bring the different values into sight and they should photograph correctly.

[BJP: 2 May 1930, p255]

 

 

Drummond Young Pages

 William

Edward

Duncan and John

Drummond Young Limited

Photos and Drawings

Trotters Club

Edward in
America

Drummond Young and Watson

 

 

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Photographs and Other Images  -  These include portraits of photographers  -  photographic outings -  Princes Street views  -  Newhaven Fishwives  -  etc.  Early Photography in Edinburgh  -  Talbot, Brewster, Hill & Adamson, Early Professional Photographers in Princes Street, etc.  Professional Photographers in Edinburgh  -  1840 to 1940  -  Their names, dates of business and studio addresses.  The Photographic Society of Scotland  -  1856 to 1873  -  Lectures, Exhibitions, Outings, etc.  The History of Edinburgh Photographic Society  -  1861 to date  -  Lectures, Exhibitions, Outings, Poems, etc.  EPS Publications - EPS Handwritten Records  -  Photographic Journals  -  Trade Directories  -  Books  -  etc.  Thanks to all who have encouraged and supported me in creating the EdinPhoto web site  -  including descendants of photographers  -  researchers  -  providers of photographs and other material  Background notes on the research thal led up to the creation of this site  -   together with lists of new material added to the site since its launch.  Brief comments on how this site might be used  -  Just browsing?  -  Seeking specific information?  Please add your questions, suggestions or other comments to the Guest Book.  Links to other web sites  -  Photographic Societies  -  Photographic History  -  Family History  -  etc.  Click here to find the link to the Edinburgh Photogrpahic Society web site.

 

A selection of my photographs, many from Edinburgh throughout the year.   Also photos from Scotland, London, Iceland, Italy, Hong Kong and elsewhere    Many old maps of Edinburgh (Old Town, New Town, while City), Leith and Newhaven.  Includes several old transport maps and a comparison of old maps with recent aerial photos.   Old engravings, mailly of Edinburgh scenes.  Some from the 1820s, some from the 1890s,  some others - includes many hand-coloured examples from the 1820s.   News from Edinburgh today  -  Events, Collections, Buildings and Gardens, Transport   This site includes     1. Post card portraits taken in studios in Edinburgh:    2. Post card views either takeen/published by Ediburgh photographers or views of Edinburgh, or both.y Edinburgh    Views of Edinburgh, grouped into three sections:     1. Street views:    2. Buildings:    3. Around Edinburgh   Views of transport around Edinburgh  -  Horse drawn trams and buses, cable cars, electric trams, buses and a few railway photos.  Also several maps of Edinburgh's bus and tram routes.   Links to pages with Photos of Groups   Frequently Asked Questions

  Summary of the updates added to this site each month since the site was launched   Links to Dumbiedykes pages  Link to Granton pages  Link to Leith pages   Link to Newhaven pages   Links to Portobello pages   Link to My Recent Talks