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Recollections
Pilton
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Donald Grant
Penicuik, Midlothian, Scotland |
1950s and 1960s
Our House
Bruce Peebles
Clan Grant Standard |
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Betty Fraser (nee Simpson)
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia |
1930s
School at Pilton |
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Jimmy Letham
Elizabeth Vale, South Australia |
1940s
Move to West Pilton
The 'Shack'
Football
Apprenticeship and Army
Emigration
Jimmy's Address |
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Glads Dodd
with reply from
Phil Wilson
Aberdeen, Scotland |
Ferry Road Drive |
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Phil Wilson
Aberdeen, Scotland
with reply from
Steven Oliver
Borders, Scotland |
The 'Shack' |
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Edward Thomson
Glamis Castle, Angus, Scotland |
TA Unit -519 Regiment |
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Brian
Swanney
Dunedin, Otago, New Zealand |
Mactaggart & Mickel houses
Gumley
Football
Wardie School |
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Steven
Oliver
Borders, Scotland |
Mactaggart & Mickel houses
Gumley
Football
Wardie School |
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Betty Fraser (nee Simpson)
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia |
Embassy Picture Theatre |
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Recollections
1.
Donald Grant
Penicuik, Midlothian, Scotland |
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Thank you to Donald Grant who sent me the
comments below.
Donald wrote:
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1950s
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1960s |
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Our House
When I was looking through your site the other
night,
I spotted this picture of Pilton Station.
Pilton Station
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Please click on this picture to enlarge it.)
If you look under the bridge you can see a
house in the distance.
That was the house I lived in at Boswall Avenue!
I'm delighted to have found that photo.
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Bruce Peebles
The house faces up Boswall Place toward the
private sidings of Bruce Peebles. My mother was a cleaner in the offices
at Bruce Peebles for a time in the late 50s or possibly early 60s.
There was a major fire at the Bruce Peebles factory in 1999
and the factory at Pilton, Edinburgh, never re-opened. Much of the
land is now being redeveloped as housing. - Peter Stubbs
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Clan Grant Standard
I have a photo in the house somewhere of my
father that may be of interest to you. It was taken in the fifties and
shows him with the Clan Grant standard.
I was told by my late mother that my father
was the standard bearer for the Clan Grant at the International Gathering
Of The Clans in Edinburgh (1956?).
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Donald Grant, Penicuik, Midlothian, Scotland:
January 27, 2006
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Recollections
2.
Betty Fraser (nee
Simpson)
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia |
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Thank you to Betty Fraser, nee Simpson, for adding a comments to the
EdinPhoto guest book.
Betty wrote:
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1930s |
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School at Pilton
"My first school was in Broughton Road, near Canonmills.
When we moved to Granton, my
school was at Pilton. All I can remember from there were
yellow blackboards and purple chalk. The nicest teacher was a
Miss Ritchie.
Why can I remember something like that
seventy odd years' later? I wonder if anyone else has a similar
memory.
I'm not even sure of the location of the
school but it must have been in walking distance from Royston Mains
Road. There was no 'driving the kids to school' in those
days.
Betty Fraser: Sydney, New South Wales, Australia: August 20,
2006
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Recollections
3.
Jimmy Letham
Elizabeth Vale, South Australia |
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Thank you to Jimmy Letham, South Australia, who wrote: |
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1940s |
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Move to West Pilton
"My family moved from Dundee Street,
Fountainbridge, to 50 Ferry Rd Drive, West Pilton in the Spring of 1943.
I attended Pennywell School until 1945 then
went on to Leith Academy until 1947."
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The Shack
"I noticed that everyone has been mentioning
The Embassy picture house but no one has mentioned the wooden building
that we called 'The Shack' . It was between the Embassy and St
Margaret Mary's Chapel.
It was the place I learned to dance in and
was a popular Saturday night
spot for teenagers. I started to learn dancing when I was 13.
I went to the 'Shack' then to the 'Academy' (Edinburgh Academy YMCA
Stockbridge) when it gained prominence over the 'Shack' in about 1948.
The Royston lassies I remember most
were, Margaret Carty and Mollie Wallis. The only fella I can think of was
Jimmy Jamieson. He was my classmate at Leith Academy and lived, I
think, in Granton Medway. The auld heid is letting me down memory wise
regarding names."
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Football
"I also remember
the hard football matches played, each Sunday, on the waste ground at the
side of the gasworks
I was the only Protestant who was playing
fitba' for St Margaret Mary's. I was goalkeeper.
Later on, when the Edinburgh Academy Boys Club
closed down, I became a founder member of St Bernard's amateur football
club in Stockbridge ."
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Apprenticeship
and Army
"I served my time as a painter with AC Woods
and Son, 114 Pitt St. Edinburgh. On finishing my apprenticeship
in November 1952 I joined the Argyll's and stayed with them for twenty two
years reaching the rank of Warrant Officer."
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Emigration
"When I left the army, I came direct to
Australia from West Germany.
I have never looked back, though now I go home
every two years for re-unions. I always go around West Pilton and Granton.
These are the places which had the greatest impact on my life and I assure
you the memories are simply wonderful."
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Jimmy Letham, Elizabeth Vale, South Australia: November 5, 2006.
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Jimmy's Address
Jimmy has given me his e-mail
address and postal address to pass on to anybody who would like to contact
him.
In particular, Jimmy says:
"I have been hoping to contact an old friend,
Ella Ramsay from Crewe Rd North. She married Walter
? in 1953/4 ? and
they had a wee girl.
If Ella or anybody else would like to contact
Jimmy, please
e-mail me and ask me for the contact details.
- Peter Stubbs |
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Recollections
4.
Glads Dodd |
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Thank you to Glads Dodd who sent me the following message.
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50 Ferry Road Drive
"I was very interested to read
the article posted by Jimmy Letham. He will not remember me but I also
lived at 50 Ferry Road Drive and was the youngest member of the Scott
family who lived below Jimmy's mother's home. Jimmy will most likely
remember my older sisters, Betty and Agnes.
Mrs Letham by all accounts saved my life when
I nearly choked to death as a child. Christine Letham and Cathy Telford
(next door to the Letham family) were amongst my best friends and we had
some grand times as children, going to Murrayfield Ice Rink etc.
Please pass on my regards to
Jimmy."
Glads Dodd: March 15, 2007 |
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Glads: I've passed on your message and your e-mail address to Jimmy
Letham. I hope you hear from him soon.
- Peter Stubbs: March 15, 2007
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Reply to
4.
Phil Wilson
Aberdeen, Scotland |
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Thank you to Phil Wilson for
adding this comment to he EdinPhoto web GuestBook.
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The Shack
"Reading the comments by Jimmy Letham about
'The Shack' dance hall on Boswall Parkway, I wonder if it is the small
wooden building next to the Embassy Cinema (looking very white) in this
marvellous aerial
photo, which seems to have been taken around 1960-61.
Quite a few other landmarks are clearly
visible from the photo, and I'm only sorry that my house seems to be out
of shot. I wonder if any other shots like this survive of the rest
of the area?
Phil Wilson, November 7, 2006
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Thank you to Steven Oliver, Scottish Borders, who wrote: |
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'The Shack'
"Regarding
the discussion about the “Shack” in Boswall Parkway, I’m sure that
this was indeed the building between the Embassy Cinema (or the
supermarket building in my time) and St Margaret Mary Church.
It was also used as a Scout
hut, the 87th Inverleith – my dad used to go to the Cubs and the
Scouts there – and for dog-training.
The Shack burnt down some
time ago, early 90’s if I’m correct, due to vandalism. My grandad
lived just along the road at the time, and saw what happened from
his house.
A new Scout hut was built
to replace it, and still stands. It is still in use today." |
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Steven Oliver, Duns, Borders, Scotland: March
17, 2007 |
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More Aerial Photos
I like the aerial photo.
I think the aerial photo
probably does include "The Shack" (top-centre) but it would easier to
decide if we could see a higher resolution image of it.
The RCAHMS (the Royal
Commission on the Ancient & Historic Monuments of Scotland) has a very
large collection of aerial photographs in their offices in Edinburgh.
They will certainly have some that show your old house in their
collection.
RCAHMS may also hold the
original negative of the aerial photo that you mention above, and be able
to date that photo. If I discover anything more about it, I'll let you
know.
Peter Stubbs. November 7, 2006. |
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Recollections
5.
Phil Wilson
Aberdeen, Scotland |
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Phil Wilson wrote again about the
aerial photograph of Pilton.
Unfortunately, for copyright
reasons, I'm not able to reproduce the photo on this page, but clicking
the link below should take you to it. -
Peter Stubbs
Phil wrote:
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Aerial Photo - 1961?
"Despite the fact that the 'Comments' spot for
the aerial
photo is now empty, the photo had several comments made about it when
I originally discovered it a year or two ago, especially one from Donald
Grant of Penicuik, after I alerted him to it, and whose dating of the
photo I relied on.
Donald's house in Boswall Avenue is visible at
centre bottom of the photo. He made lengthy comment at the time,
dating the snap as 1961 or possibly earlier. Regrettably the cars in
the photo are not sharp enough to provide a more accurate date." |
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Bruce Peebles' Pond
"I can see the Bruce Peebles pond, where we
caught newts when I was very young, and my grandparents' house at 3
Boswall Place. I'd dearly love a copy of one showing my house, since my
memory of layouts and places is fading fast, I'm afraid.
I used to rely on my late brother, who
had an almost photographic memory for details and characters." |
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Phil Wilson: November 8, 2006 |
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Recollections
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Edward Thomson
Glamis Castle, Angus, Scotland
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Thank you to Edward Thomson, Glamis Castle, Angus, Scotland for the
following message and photographs:
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TA Unit -
519 Regiment
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Annual Camps
"Annual
Camps took us to such exotic paces as:
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Stiffkey in
Norfolk,
- Tonfanau in North Wales,
- Newquay in Cornwall,
- Bude."
Newquay
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Social Mix
"The great thing about
the TA Camps was the 'social mix', West Pilton, Royston, Pennywell
and further, Linlithgow and South Queensferry all had members in the
Regiment.
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were Bankers, Minister
of Religion, Lorry Drivers, Scaffolders and Motor Mechanics to name
but a few.
All this with young
ex-servicemen who had seen Warfare and still were under 20 and
wanted to retain the comradeship and contribute their experience."
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Edward Thomson, Glamis Castle, Angus, Scotland: May 2006 |
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Recollections
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Brian Swanney
Dunedin, Otago, New Zealand
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Thank you to Brian Swanney, New Zealand, who wrote: |
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Questions |
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Mactaggart & Mickel houses
"I was brought up in
16 Crewe Crescent from 1952 until 1977 so the information on the
area is fascinating to read. Does anyone had any more information on
the Mactaggart & Mickel houses or knew of any online information
sources?
I'm looking for historical
things such as precisely when, and in what order, the estate was
developed, and what the build costs and the initial rental costs
would have been.
My parents married in
1938 and, though I don’t know for sure, I imagine they may have
moved directly into Crewe Crescent at that time seeing as they were
built in the 1930’s. I'm Looking for any little bit of information
to help add detail to our family homes. I also had aunt, uncle
and cousins living at 79 Pilton Place.
I never bothered to
ask at the time and now of course. I wish I had – sadly that
is always the way."
Brian Swanney, New Zealand: June 9, 2008 |
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Development of the Estate
I don't know exactly when the houses were built, but these
are the years that the streets were named.
That should give an indication of when the Boswall, Pilton,
Royston and Crewe areas to the north of Ferry Road were developed:
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Boswall Avenue
Boswall Crescent
Boswall Drive
Boswall Gardens
Boswall Grove
Boswall Loan
Boswall Parkway
Boswall Quadrant
Boswall Square
Boswall Terrace |
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1925 |
Boswall Green |
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1926 |
Crewe Road North
Crewe Road South |
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1931 |
Boswall Place |
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1933 |
Pilton Avenue
Pilton Crescent
Pilton Drive
Pilton Gardens
Pilton Loan
Pilton Park
Pilton Place |
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1934 |
Crewe Bank
Crewe Crescent
Crewe Grove
Crewe Loan
Crewe Place
Crewe Terrace |
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1935 |
Crewe Path |
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1936 |
Royston Crescent
Royston Gardens
Royston Green
Royston Mains Avenue
Mains Place
Royston Road
Royston Street |
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1938 |
Crewe Road Gardens
Crewe Road West |
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Source: History and Derivation of
Edinburgh Street Names
[Edinburgh Corporation City Engineers Dept, 1975] |
Peter Stubbs, Edinburgh: June 14, 2008 |
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Brian Swanney also wrote: |
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Gumley
"I remember Gumley
being the rental agent or factor. There was a maintenance shed
in a row of lock-up garages on the SW corner of the intersection of
Pilton Drive and Pilton Avenue (on the corner of the Ainslie Park
grounds facing Bruce Peebles). I'm not sure if that was run by
Gumley or Mactaggart & Mickel ." |
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Football
"We had many
great childhood kick-a-bouts on Pilton Park, occasionally on the
pitches, but more usually just around the edges with a tree for one
post and a jersey or two for the other!
Very occasionally,
we’d sneak a wee goalmouth session on the Edinburgh City grounds
because they sometimes had nets left up and that made it really
special!." |
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Wardie School
"I attended Wardie
primary school from 1957 until around 1963 and the recollections on
the site brought back more than a few memories of that time.
I began to write down
a few of my own to send in but never quite got enough courage to do
so! The recollections of
Paul Johnson were particularly relevant and humorous! It is all
the little recollections of individuals that spark off wider
memories of others and stimulates contribution, so maybe I should." |
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Brian Swanney, Dunedin, Otago, New Zealand: June 9, 2008 |
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Recollections
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Steven Oliver
Duns, Borders , Scotland |
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Thank you to Steven Oliver, now living in Duns, Borders, Scotland for
replying to Brian Swanney's comments above
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Original Tenant
"Having
seen Brian Swanney’s notes on the Pilton and Crewe Gumley houses,
and your list of dates that the streets were named, it reminded me
that my grandparents’ neighbour through the wall at 104 Boswall
Parkway was Muriel Pell (who some readers may remember as Miss Pell)
of 1, Pilton Park. She was one of the original tenants of that
block when it was built in 1933. The houses were indeed named for
their factor."
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Boswall Parkway
"Boswall Parkway was developed from the east
end westwards, with the bit between Boswall Drive and Boswall
Terrace being the first to be built, in 1921. The rest of it wasn’t
developed until the 30s, first with the Pilton and Crewe Gumley
houses on the south side in 1933/4, then with the Wardieburn and
Royston Corporation schemes on the north side a few years later." |
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Gumleys Houses
"There is a slight design difference in these
Gumleys houses. The ones to the east of Pilton Place have bay
windows with curved shingle fronts while the ones to the west have
bay windows with flat fronts." |
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Crewe Place
"Then of course we have the house with the
flat roof in Crewe Place, which was rebuilt due to
bomb
damage in 1940.
It actually has a companion, in the similar
development at Broomfield & Broomburn, although this one was as an
experiment rather than a rebuild." |
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Crewe Place
"I certainly remember seeing the maintenance
shed on Pilton Drive which Brian mentions. I think it’s still there
today – I’ll have a look the next time that I’m in the area." |
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Steven Oliver, Duns, Borders, Scotland: June
15, 2008 |
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Recollections
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Betty Fraser (nee
Simpson)
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia |
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Betty Fraser, wrote again, a couple of years after
sending 'Recollections 2' above.
Betty wrote:
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Embassy Picture Theatre
"I remember the Embassy Picture Theatre
and distinctly remember the Shirley Temple films that we kids were
all anxious to see.
I was an avid reader and would save up
fourpence to go to the newsagent near the pictures to get the latest
small paperback - for the life of me at the moment I can't think of
the name of the author and yet I knew it so well! Maddening!"
Betty Fraser: Sydney, New South Wales, Australia:
November 8, 2008
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